Jim Carrey Mafia Dp3

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 10:53 AM (post #173)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:51 (post #171)

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Why do you even remember if you were a part of any mislynches or not?

because I argued avidly that thoth was a low hanging fruit lynch and the wryly one took me off guard completely. i never even realized she was close to being lynched

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 12:57 PM (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

Link to whatever post you covered this in with the relevant quotes or succinctly summarize it. You've posted like a billion walls of text and I want to reference it as I dive into Banana/Wylted.

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously dont

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:31 AM (post #152)

need anything from me? I kinda jus waiting on a hammer no rush but yeah my minds made up. also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum so if mago scum and is lynched should be a win, unless I’m missing something. hmmm

What behaviorally makes you sure Wylted is town?

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:09 (post #182)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 10:53 AM (post #173)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:51 (post #171)

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Why do you even remember if you were a part of any mislynches or not?

because I argued avidly that thoth was a low hanging fruit lynch and the wryly one took me off guard completely. i never even realized she was close to being lynched

But why would a Town even think abour whether they were a part of a mislynch? This is the type of thing scum says to give themselves credibility, whiteknighting badically.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #180)

Also your 1st argument doesnt work either. How would me blending in work at alk if I claim my actual role? Pointless

u don’t need to be completely inactive for soldier to work. of if I were busy that’s one thing, I’d accept that over lurking but this just reads as an excuse that didn’t even need to be made. u don’t help ur wincon as town by not playing, being in every mislynch and just praying scum don’t kill u ever. it’s certainly a strategy just not a good one

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:07 (post #181)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

thats a pretty weak reason to be so sure of someone’s alignment at LyLo. pretty sure literally everyones character works as their actual role this game so tjis is a moot point

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 11:11 AM (post #185)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:31 AM (post #152)

need anything from me? I kinda jus waiting on a hammer no rush but yeah my minds made up. also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum so if mago scum and is lynched should be a win, unless I’m missing something. hmmm

What behaviorally makes you sure Wylted is town?

it’s not really the behavior, it’s that he put himself in a 1 v 1 and there wasn’t a quick hammer. so one of him and mago have to be scum and ive had a bad feeling about mago since early in regards to his activity. not a fan of his excuse for it either. basically if mago is scum Wylted is town by proxy

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #188)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:07 (post #181)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

thats a pretty weak reason to be so sure of someone’s alignment at LyLo. pretty sure literally everyones character works as their actual role this game so tjis is a moot point

i did say I would look at his slot with fresh eyes tomorrow. the only one I feel pretty convinced is scum is you, because you haven’t been hammered yet and I’m town

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:59 AM (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

So I think I have more experience than anyone alive with Mag. For their Meta I question the blend argument. Both a Mafia and a Soldier would make sense for wanting to blend but they typically shove early as town breaking RVS. They were not engaged in chat for the D1. They are also rather inconsistent as town jumping from push to push. I see some of that but not as much. In my head what I was considering was if they would actually bet so much on their role that they would lurk. Voicing that feels out of place to me. Its setting everything on the role in a way that I question. These factors make me more suspicious of them.

The flip flop of claims is what gives me the other opinion. Would a S! Mag offhand throw out some fake claim with little thought? Generally I think Mag is more careful as scum than town and they calculate their moves. The 1 shot BP claim is objectively awful. But it would be a really weird thing for scum to make. I think soldier could fit but again- we have not super unpacked mech on the PR claims.

But then I am pretty convinced Wylted is just scum. And I am really struggling to see a Mag/Wylted team. Wylteds behavior screams scum to me in so many ways. No way a town player is this unreasonable hammering days early and not just refusing to talk about things, but actively arguing people are retarded for talking about them. They want a quick hammer and push to stop conversation. Sure- I think its a good scum strategy for this game. The day cycles are starved for information and making that more of the case really doubles down but I am having so much trouble seeing Mag v Wylted as a bus. This site is wild as hell on busses but I do not see it. Their little tussle last night looked like 2 people genuinely pissed at etchother to the extent I am struggling to consider it and because I see Wylted in such a way it makes me think I am wrong in my suspicions on Mag.

Anyways, thats some of whats in my head on the subject.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:11 (post #187)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #180)

Also your 1st argument doesnt work either. How would me blending in work at alk if I claim my actual role? Pointless

u don’t need to be completely inactive for soldier to work. of if I were busy that’s one thing, I’d accept that over lurking but this just reads as an excuse that didn’t even need to be made. u don’t help ur wincon as town by not playing, being in every mislynch and just praying scum don’t kill u ever. it’s certainly a strategy just not a good one

it did work, im still here. You realize how powerful this role is? Lurk to victory, worst case scenario I would get a replacement warning and I would be forced to lurk a little less, scum would just think im busy since someone whos lurking can be a power role, someone whos not posting isnt playing the game at all. Can be used in a lylo scenario.

if i were a little active i would probably get shot or investigated and then shot or lynched, they would realize im pr and kill me.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:15 (post #190)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #188)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:07 (post #181)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

thats a pretty weak reason to be so sure of someone’s alignment at LyLo. pretty sure literally everyones character works as their actual role this game so tjis is a moot point

i did say I would look at his slot with fresh eyes tomorrow. the only one I feel pretty convinced is scum is you, because you haven’t been hammered yet and I’m town

why not think about it today then, since if you are Town you need to figure out teams ASAP? Whats the point in lynching a scum fypov today if tomorrow they gwt a free pass?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:04 PM (post #179)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:57 AM (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

if I have a specific point u want me to read and respond to in regards to pie, tag me specifically and ask me. u r kind of a long winded rant style poster so admittedly i dont really read all of ur posts or responses to everyone and sometimes just skim them, or try to go to the end to see the salient points. it would be kind of exhausting to read all of it and respond to everything in depth. pie wears me down by doing that all the time too and half the time i just don’t have the mental wherewithal to engage him because of it.

also I’m willing to discuss mech, there’s not like a ton i can say for it other than liking certain roles matching justifications but I’ll admit a couple of the roles in the graveyard wouldn’t have been my first guesses as matches to their respective characters

Well yes, I am pointing to Pies ISO. Its super super super fucking tiny. https://www.debatecraft.com/users/ILikePie5/mafia-comments

Right here. You can skim literally 13 small posts. They are really small. I think you can read them all in like 60 seconds. Maybe 100 seconds? I duno.

If you want me to X post his entire ISO into this thread I can because its so tiny.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:19 (post #193)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

I did not vote Thoth, I was literally AFK D1. Maybe check your claims before you try to paint.

but again - the reason why you when bring tjis up is because you are scum. I do not think about how many mislynches I was on as Town, simply doesnt occur to me

more importantly, you did not vote at all, and that’s scummy because scum are afraid of votinf

if u think Wylted is scum u pretty much have to think i am scum with him, its the only way that a quick hammer hasn’t happened yet. there’s not really use if convincing me of that cuz i know im town so i dont know how to respond to that. ur only bet with me would be to convince me that Rex is scum because we can safely cross off a mag/Wylted scum team. if you aren’t trying to convince me of Rex i dont see the point to any of this back and forth, because it has to be you or Rex from where im sitting

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 11:21 AM (post #195)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:04 PM (post #179)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:57 AM (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

if I have a specific point u want me to read and respond to in regards to pie, tag me specifically and ask me. u r kind of a long winded rant style poster so admittedly i dont really read all of ur posts or responses to everyone and sometimes just skim them, or try to go to the end to see the salient points. it would be kind of exhausting to read all of it and respond to everything in depth. pie wears me down by doing that all the time too and half the time i just don’t have the mental wherewithal to engage him because of it.

also I’m willing to discuss mech, there’s not like a ton i can say for it other than liking certain roles matching justifications but I’ll admit a couple of the roles in the graveyard wouldn’t have been my first guesses as matches to their respective characters

Well yes, I am pointing to Pies ISO. Its super super super fucking tiny. https://www.debatecraft.com/users/ILikePie5/mafia-comments

Right here. You can skim literally 13 small posts. They are really small. I think you can read them all in like 60 seconds. Maybe 100 seconds? I duno.

If you want me to X post his entire ISO into this thread I can because its so tiny.

yeah you can post it all day but what’s ur point here lol i think ur working urself up about something thats next to irrelevant to our current situation

TBH there is a tiny possibility Helz is scum and one of banana wylted is town as hes the only one I can actually see extending the game right now when we could hammer but i dont think its likely

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:21 AM (post #196)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:19 (post #193)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

I did not vote Thoth, I was literally AFK D1. Maybe check your claims before you try to paint.

but again - the reason why you when bring tjis up is because you are scum. I do not think about how many mislynches I was on as Town, simply doesnt occur to me

more importantly, you did not vote at all, and that’s scummy because scum are afraid of votinf

i did not vote dp1 because there wasn’t another option it’s something that has been complained about by others many times. the only option was Thoth who I wasn’t feeling as scum.

So yeah I think banana wylted is simplest and if its either rex or helz GG what can I say, please hammer so whoever is Town in the ppl voting me can look really stupud, hopefully wylted

alright Im gonna stop back and forth with mago, kind of no point. i know he’s scum and he’s trying to spin me as scum, it’s just a “no u” contest at this point. Gemma getting hard enough to respond to multiple people as is. im over stimulated

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:26 (post #200)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:21 AM (post #196)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:19 (post #193)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

I did not vote Thoth, I was literally AFK D1. Maybe check your claims before you try to paint.

but again - the reason why you when bring tjis up is because you are scum. I do not think about how many mislynches I was on as Town, simply doesnt occur to me

more importantly, you did not vote at all, and that’s scummy because scum are afraid of votinf

i did not vote dp1 because there wasn’t another option it’s something that has been complained about by others many times. the only option was Thoth who I wasn’t feeling as scum.

you were off the lynch on do2, this is not a point in your favour you realize that right?

also - just for the sake of argument. Lets assume you are town. What would your reaction be if I flip Town?

also there’s over 200 posts and still 2 days left in the phase, can we stop over exaggerating the “no one is even trying” thing? that’s a lot of posts and discussion Mr helz. we are all doing our best to engage u here.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:23 PM (post #197)

if u think Wylted is scum u pretty much have to think i am scum with him, its the only way that a quick hammer hasn’t happened yet. there’s not really use if convincing me of that cuz i know im town so i dont know how to respond to that. ur only bet with me would be to convince me that Rex is scum because we can safely cross off a mag/Wylted scum team. if you aren’t trying to convince me of Rex i dont see the point to any of this back and forth, because it has to be you or Rex from where im sitting

I figure if Rex is scum we just loose. Every situation I look at goes that way. I am not happy about it. I am still uncomfortable with the amount of negitive utility in the game with their miller claim, the RB that can not stop the kill (making it more anti-town), The BD that can be super super OP dominating the scum or really screw over the town, then me if I chose to alert I could have killed town all over the place unless I claimed instantly.

For my personal thought process withholding that info gave me options to hero kill in the late game. Almost made me want to lie or just refuse the claim today but I figured it helps solve and we are hurting for interaction. But thats pretty much my only concern on Rex. Everything else they have done is reasonable which places me in this position of You/Wylted or Mag/Wylted. But in every world I look at Wylted has to be scum. I do not know if I could shift my view from that. I probably could rethink Rex but it would require Rex/Mag which is an entire separate consideration.

Like Wylted + Mag makes the most sense to me but they also look so unaligned. Then there is still the point I would like you to engauge on of why you thought Pie suspected me D2 given their posts. If you are scum I just caught you in a TMI there. If you are town you should easily recognize that what I am looking at is beyond reasonable. Pie did nothing but defend me D2 even as they disagreed with one of my takes. Even D1 they just had me as null. I do not understand where your position is coming from and its hard shade at the start of the day suggesting Pie suspected me. Then Wryly came in and doubled down on it claiming a check. And on that is a Watcher + a Sheriff + a RB + a BD + a Doctor + a Vet even possible in a game this size? Thats fucking nuts. It does not make sense to me mechanically and we should really talk about the mech fit of the claims.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 1:14 PM (post #189)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 11:11 AM (post #185)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:31 AM (post #152)

need anything from me? I kinda jus waiting on a hammer no rush but yeah my minds made up. also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum so if mago scum and is lynched should be a win, unless I’m missing something. hmmm

What behaviorally makes you sure Wylted is town?

it’s not really the behavior, it’s that he put himself in a 1 v 1 and there wasn’t a quick hammer. so one of him and mago have to be scum and ive had a bad feeling about mago since early in regards to his activity. not a fan of his excuse for it either. basically if mago is scum Wylted is town by proxy

Wylted loves to use bussing plays as scum. What makes you think he and Mago aren't scum together and they set up a 1 v 1 to let whoever survives get massive town cred and coast to the endgame? If they killed WF and rolecopped Wryly, don't you think they would think it was worth it for Wylted to yolo quickhammer the doc yesterday and then they could just extend the game by one DP and bus tomorrow, but not have to worry about their kill failing? Especially if they wanted to kill Pie, who was a very likely protection target?

he has u in his null reads the only scum reads he has as me and wryly, we all know wryly was town and I know im town, so one of three people in his null reads are the next likely candidates and explain why u were visited by him.

i dont think him defending u one time was enough to say he town read u. but I dont understand how that is tmi either, plus u keep arguing this as if it was the most salient point i made. u are hyper focusing on something i mentioned that i didnt put a ton of thought into and was barely worth mentioning at all, and focusing that 10xs over any other points ive made.

im not gonna argue with u just to argue, but if u think that weak point is enough to convince Rex u do u

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 11:50 AM (post #206)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 1:14 PM (post #189)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/10/2026 at 11:11 AM (post #185)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:31 AM (post #152)

need anything from me? I kinda jus waiting on a hammer no rush but yeah my minds made up. also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum so if mago scum and is lynched should be a win, unless I’m missing something. hmmm

What behaviorally makes you sure Wylted is town?

it’s not really the behavior, it’s that he put himself in a 1 v 1 and there wasn’t a quick hammer. so one of him and mago have to be scum and ive had a bad feeling about mago since early in regards to his activity. not a fan of his excuse for it either. basically if mago is scum Wylted is town by proxy

Wylted loves to use bussing plays as scum. What makes you think he and Mago aren't scum together and they set up a 1 v 1 to let whoever survives get massive town cred and coast to the endgame? If they killed WF and rolecopped Wryly, don't you think they would think it was worth it for Wylted to yolo quickhammer the doc yesterday and then they could just extend the game by one DP and bus tomorrow, but not have to worry about their kill failing? Especially if they wanted to kill Pie, who was a very likely protection target?

this doesn’t read like a bus and i don’t think anyone is even seriously considering that. if u want me to to admit it’s theoretically possible sure, but it’s unlikely from my pov. scum were in a very good position coming into this dp so that’s just a lot of risk for no reward.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 12:54 PM (post #207)

he has u in his null reads the only scum reads he has as me and wryly, we all know wryly was town and I know im town, so one of three people in his null reads are the next likely candidates and explain why u were visited by him.

i dont think him defending u one time was enough to say he town read u. but I dont understand how that is tmi either, plus u keep arguing this as if it was the most salient point i made. u are hyper focusing on something i mentioned that i didnt put a ton of thought into and was barely worth mentioning at all, and focusing that 10xs over any other points ive made.

im not gonna argue with u just to argue, but if u think that weak point is enough to convince Rex u do u

No. I do not think that. And I agree its not even a major point. Its just one I have made over and over and this is the first post engaging with it. You do recognize why I saw your position that Pie suspected me D2 as sus reading it now. And you must understand how Wylted doubling down with it on a check with a PR claim that overcrowds the town power roles looks the way it does to me. These things in combination are a problem in my head.