Barry Mafia Endgame

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#1 •••

1st place: Mafia (Pie, Thoth)

2nd place: Town (Luna, Shining, Kohai, Wryly, Cerulean, Vader, RexFavilla)


Roles: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mdCEiMJmyiKynOr1bjK72cRU5Ye_B_CSK6ONyJ53mXQ/edit?tab=t.0


Night Actions (NP1):


RexFavilla recruited Wryly

Wryly Watched RexFavilla (no visit)

Thoth Janitored/Muggered Lunatic

Pie RB'd Wryly (JK'd by Shining)


Night Actions (NP2):


Thoth Strongmanned Wryly

Pie RB'd RexFavilla



Going to start by owning up to a pretty big goof on my part. You might notice that Lunatic had a flip... despite being Janitored. That was my error, I posted the DP before I realized that I'd forgotten to factor that into the night actions. My focus was on the Mugger aspect and since that didn't do anything with the Informed role, in my head, I must have decided that the Janitor didn't, either. My response to that was initially just to give them another shot of the Janitor, but Pie opted for me to give them a fake character claim they didn't use instead. So the long and short of it is that Lunatic's flip shouldn't have gone up at all, though doing so may have helped scum more since town struggled with the information that Luna flipped with and I think that helped them secure a lynch on Shining.


Oh, and to answer the question I've been asked a few times already, the "greater nuisance than they know" was actually in Luna's own role: he was a hidden Nexus. Back when I designed the Castlevania game, I included a hidden Sleepwalker that also sadly went nowhere, but the idea here was to cause some confusion and paranoia and I guess that ended up happening, just not the way I'd intended. Mharman and I made this change at the final stages of designing this game (I had Sally as the just straight up Nexus, but we didn't want two SOP claims to mess with POE that much and we both still wanted the Nexus). It might have been a little too cheeky looking back at it.


Setting that aside, I think this might have been a little scumsided, particularly with the Mugger which would have been a much bigger deal if it had succeeded in taking a role along with the Janitor hiding that flip. The 3X RB was a little excessive as well, though given that Pie only got one actual shot off (the JK prevented his first), it didn't end up being a factor here. I might be thinking differently about this if town had gotten their Dreamer off, but I do think I shorted town a protective role.


In terms of what went wrong for town, the biggest problem was inactivity. Inactivity up until the closing hours of the first DP led to a hasty lynch on Kohai, who hadn't even claimed and whose results could really have helped town. He might have been lynched anyway if he'd claimed, but I doubt it. Pie probably would have RB'd him, but given the JK stopped his night action NP1, the Dream could very well have gotten off and town could have had significantly more insight than it did. Wryly's Watcher result didn't do anything to narrow the field, and she didn't end up trusting REF enough to discuss it in chat with him.


I found the Shining lynch pretty baffling. He was the sole claimed protective role at that point (there weren't others), so he seemed pretty lock town on that basis. I better understand the decision to lynch REF in the end, but only a little. It would not be a first for a game to include a scum Mason who can recruit town members and pass themselves off as town, but with Pie's unused Hider claim on the table making him entirely unconfirmed, he looked like the obvious lynch to me. Pie was preparing for it too, hoping that his flip would help "confirm" Thoth's Strengthener claim (one of the two roles they asked about - the other was Dreamer).



Game MVP was Pie. Dude domineered through much of the game. I agree with him that that kind of approach is NAI, but whether he's scum or town, I always worry when he's taking control of the game.

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#2 •••
--> @Cerulean, @ILikePie5, @Kohai, @Lunatic, @RexFavilla, @Shining, @Thoth, @Vader, @Wryly

Endgame up.

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#3 •••
--> @Kohai

In what world is a Dreamer a confirmable role?

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#4 •••

I also didn't 100% trust Wryly for most of DP2, it was only at the end that I started to truly townread her. I will probably have trust issues with her until I see her in action as scum, that's just how I am. Our chat wasn't very effective because of the mutual suspicion.


I feel bad for Shining. That was a dirty lynch.

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#5 •••
--> @RexFavilla

We knew either Luna or Wryly were more likely to be that investigative role. We just took the wrong 50/50, but it was a conservative 50/50.

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#6 •••

Game results have been submitted.

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#7 •••
--> @ILikePie5

It's not. I was putting some WIFOM to avoid being turbo lynched at EOD1 when I wasn't even around to full claim.


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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

#8 •••
--> @Kohai
It's not. I was putting some WIFOM to avoid being turbo lynched at EOD1 when I wasn't even around to full claim.


How'd that work out for you?

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#9 •••

>Come back after a few months

>Be weird about SOP claim

>Be mostly inactive throughout the game

>Make game-losing LYLO vote


Truly another Cerulean moment.


(And that's the last of my "woe is me" about this game.)

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#10 •••
--> @Mag1cman

Oh, and thank you for your help on this one, forgot to tag you.

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#11 •••

I sussed Pie from DP1 forward but didn't trust my own instincts on the matter after my rationalizations for it proved inconclusive. Meanwhile I should've trusted Rex sooner, but I figured if I was a scum or TP neighborizer and I wanted to manipulate someone, I would probably either pick Kohai or me, and Kohai got mislynched.


The Shining vote I'm particularly embarrassed about. I thought he'd acted scummy and I was too suspicious Jailkeeper was a cover for a scum RB. I put too much weight in the fact that his character was an outlier. The alternative to voting him would've been a pure vibes vote, which I wasn't comfortable with. #Regrets


Frustrated by the inactivity this game. A lot of Pie's arguments DP3 were just "where have you been," like Rex was a dead beat dad who showed up at his kid's middle school graduation and now suddenly wanted custody.

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#12 •••

Also I almost watched Pie the first night but changed my mind because it was a gut decision and again I didn't trust my gut lol. I picked Rex instead because he had at least signaled he was going to use a role NP1 and I thought he might be roleblocked, NK'd, protected, or modified. This cost town a valuable watch result, cuz I would've seen Shining visiting Pie.

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#13 •••
--> @Wryly

It was a good call, because I fully expected to be roleblocked. Hindsight is 20/20, things like DP1 night actions are never carried out perfectly.

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#14 •••

What is Sleepwalker? Visits someone at random each night?

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#15 •••
--> @Thoth

Yep, exactly.

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#16 •••
--> @whiteflame

The Google Drive link you posted is missing some of the roles.

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#17 •••

I wanted to roleblock Wryly on night 2 to "confirm" that Strengthener fit the setup, so we could go into day 3 having pocketed her. Pie overruled me while I was asleep.

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#18 •••
--> @Thoth

Which ones? I see all 9.

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#19 •••
--> @whiteflame

Ceru, Vader, and Rex. I see them on page 3 now. For some reason, they were not loading earlier.

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#20 •••
--> @RexFavilla

I am unconvinced that the backdoor communications/gay pun in your role card was intentional.

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#21 •••
--> @whiteflame
Yep, exactly.

I think that puts me two for two at guessing what a role does based on its name.

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#22 •••

I couldn't believe that anyone bought that justification for Barry being Strengthener lmfao

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#23 •••
--> @Thoth
I am unconvinced that the backdoor communications/gay pun in your role card was intentional.

It's mod-confirmed.

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#24 •••
--> @Thoth
I couldn't believe that anyone bought that justification for Barry being Strengthener lmfao


I've sussed worse justifications that turned out to be legit. I kind of agree with Shining, the whole justification analysis angle is a crap shoot.

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#25 •••

GG. I never asked whiteflame who scum were, and I totally thought pie was town. But I didnt read the game past when I died either.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.