Freiren Mafia Endgame

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Town wins!


1st place: Town (Pie, Thoth, Luna, Banana, Rex, Mikal, Mag1c)

2nd place: Scum (Wylted, Magoroth)


Setup and Night Actions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1niRfIL8FkBSSc-NUNepFLUKQ884Ly48LmLlK6L4G2j8/edit?usp=sharing



Being absent was scum's biggest problem this game. Life gets busy and it seems like that really affected both Magoroth and Wylted throughout much of this game. Very little posting DP1, either in game or in the scum chat, so when the CFD happened, it was all crickets on my end. Wylted didn't even know Magoroth had been lynched and I didn't see any posts from Magoroth afterward. It's a pretty disappointing way for scum to go out. I was planning to sub Magoroth out after the first DP ended, but obviously that didn't happen. In the future, if something like this happens where you just can't see yourself being active for a couple of days (particularly if you're scum), just best to let the mod know.


And yeah, losing his character was a big blow to scum. Loss of the Rolestopper and the False Inventor I'd included. You can see the roles that using those Grimoires would have applied to the target, I think that could've been fun.


As for Wylted, yeah, he got a fake character and role claim, but they were never tested in game. Just straight up claimed his character. That's not surprising and Ubel was probably expected to be town here, but the Lie Detector claim was a big gambit that massively backfired. Made it so that it was heads up between Wylted and Thoth, which meant no one else had to claim, which meant the Spell Copying role was useless NP2. Didn't help that the Lie Detector role is infamously hard to manipulate, would've been worth asking me some questions about that one before putting it out there.


Not that it matters at this point, but the theme split was anyone who had ever teamed up with Frieren as town and anyone who hadn't as scum. Hence Serie and Ubel. The fake claim was Sense, though I had a list I randomized. I did leave out some big players like Eisen and Fern from this game, so there were opportunities there.


Not really a town MVP per se, but the CFD in DP1 was pivotal, so I'll give it to Luna for driving that wagon over Magoroth.


As for balance, I'd say this was just a little scumsided. I gave town ways to interfere with the NK, but Wylted's Strongman could pierce all of them except for Mikal's Deflector. I put all the investigative roles on Mikal as well, so losing him would have been a big deal if both scum had survived into DP2. Luna's role couldn't prevent the NK, and with Rex's Magistrate, there could be some fuckery to prevent lynches in play, particularly if Wylted used it. Not a lot of ways to obviously reduce POE with only Rex's role being obviously confirmable, and with the Odd Night White Mage for Banana, protection targets couldn't shift every night.


Anyway, appreciate any feedback on the setup.

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#2 β€’β€’β€’
--> @Banana, @ILikePie5, @Lunatic, @Mag1cman, @Magoroth, @Mikal, @RexFavilla, @Thoth, @wylted

Endgame's up.

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GG yall. Damn scum are on a pretty bad lose streak since pitt.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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Unfortunate

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#5 β€’β€’β€’

Smh kids these days won't even give me time for my longer-than-scheduled afternoon nap before responding

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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.

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Strongman couldn’t pierce Deflector?

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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.

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--> @Thoth

Strongman bypasses protection. Deflector isn't protection, it's effectively redirection, so no it wouldn't pierce it. If Pie had Strengthened the NK, then the Deflector would have been nullified.

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Yeah that gambit from Wylted was pretty wild - basically a suicide play setting up a 1x1. Thoth being AWOL meant he might have eked by a few more days but I understand why he threw in the towel.


Also, Whiteflame, my role is the doc is wrong, my role PM said it was 2x not compulsive every night. It's a really shame this ended so quickly, it looks like it could have been a really cool setup. I like the idiosyncratic roles.


I was thinking of using the magistrate on one of the players advocating a mass claim just to defang that idea and stop them from vote pressuring people to claim. Turns out I was right to oppose it - it could have significantly powered Wylted up.

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--> @RexFavilla
Also, Whiteflame, my role is the doc is wrong, my role PM said it was 2x not compulsive every night. It's a really shame this ended so quickly, it looks like it could have been a really cool setup. I like the idiosyncratic roles.


Yeah, I modified when I was writing my PM to you and forgot to change it in the doc. And yeah, don't see a lot of Magistrates, figured it was time to bring the role back.

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--> @Thoth

I mean you probably would have been lynched anyway. I had a feeling wylted was lying, even said as much.


Either way, OoO is to lynch the person with the result, then lynch the person with the person with the bad result.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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--> @ILikePie5, @whiteflame
Not really a town MVP per se, but the CFD in DP1 was pivotal, so I'll give it to Luna for driving that wagon over Magoroth.

Eh this one actually should go to pie, he first suggested it, I just agreed with it lol

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#12 β€’β€’β€’
--> @whiteflame
whiteflame wrote:
Strongman bypasses protection. Deflector isn't protection, it's effectively redirection, so no it wouldn't pierce it. If Pie had Strengthened the NK, then the Deflector would have been nullified.

I thought Strongman, by definition, overrides all interference, and that overriding protection but not redirection is Juggernaut.

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--> @RexFavilla
RexFavilla wrote:
Thoth being AWOL

Asleep While Others Lynch

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--> @Thoth
I thought Strongman, by definition, overrides all interference, and that overriding protection but not redirection is Juggernaut.


https://mafiagg.fandom.com/wiki/Strongman


The role as I read it just overcomes protection, not interference. I've seen some versions of the role that cannot be RB'd either, though I've never seen any that ignore redirection.

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--> @ILikePie5, @Lunatic
Eh this one actually should go to pie, he first suggested it, I just agreed with it lol


Fair enough, Pie MVP.

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--> @Thoth


Thoth wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Thoth being AWOL
Asleep While Others Lynch

I would have lynched you anyway because you were vanilla and useless and your inno flip would have outed wylted as a liar. If I were awake for EoD I would have waited because it would have been nice to have you say whether you lied or not but oh well. You went like all day without posting.

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Gg

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I still don’t know what to type!