Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - Endgame

Good game everyone.

I tried telling y’all the mago and case lynched were retarded.

Do feel like it was slightly town sided. That many mislynches off the rip and we still ended up at the last dayphase. Personally I think thr luna modkill harmed us but I do think he was going to be massively town read after how close that post was. Asked pie for a night action to offset it but once that was out it was hard either way. Was wanting ti mislynch

I had cobalt set up to be magent. Dont think it was a bad claim but the issue is magnet is basically a lighting rod. So when wf claimed lr and asked me to claim. I had to theater a bit and it worked well enough

Helz and I have such largely diff playstyles that it made landing on actions difficult.

I took priority on kohai because he would have just wanted to kill me because he always wants to kill me plus being confirmed. He died for largely being a blind vote toward me. Not because he was town confirmed.

The anna kill was contested. I was wanting bullish initially but did see the value in a poe kill. We had her exactly at protective or the mason.

Then once I saw bullish had no sway with town and was doing the trust me bro thing. Made sense to leave him up.

After that. We literally mathed out how the end game played out. Magic had to die cus he could self protect and we didnt want to end up in a 50/50 with a doc endgame.

One scenario had shinning wf thoth

The other had bullish wf shinning

Helz wanted the latter but came around to the former after some explanation. Shining and I spent a large portion of time crafting some resons to pull wf toward thoth. Basically told him to post little as possible and use like 3 bullet points to reinforce wfs thought process, say you work a lot, and let thoth yeet himself.

Happy it worked.

For my modkill I felt bad. Was trying to Hailmary a gaslight on wf and posted something and immediately regretted it so auto deleted it. Was strategic in a way cus if he didnt kill me. Allowed me to soap box. If he did it ended the dp and got pressure off shinning. I dont mind the modkill. I broke a direct rule

Hardest thing for us with helz and I disagreeing on mostly everything. We found some balance and it worked so yeehaw

Gg

Kohai wrote:

Good game everyone.

I tried telling y’all the mago and case lynched were retarded.

When I suggested mago as the lynch there was a few hours of dp1 left. The alternative was going to be a Casey lynch or a no lynch. The dreamer results were huge in getting Mikal in the POE so while getting a mislynch sucks, the alternative was another mislynch or gaining zero information from that day phase. I don’t regret pushing it.

DP1 mislynches are bound to happen, so frustrating as it was (and I feel for Mago there), it's almost a given most games. I'm with Luna on this, getting flip info at least provides something to work with.

Lunatic wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Good game everyone.

I tried telling y’all the mago and case lynched were retarded.

When I suggested mago as the lynch there was a few hours of dp1 left. The alternative was going to be a Casey lynch or a no lynch. The dreamer results were huge in getting Mikal in the POE so while getting a mislynch sucks, the alternative was another mislynch or gaining zero information from that day phase. I don’t regret pushing it.

Agree. That’s why I argued Mago’s lynch was better just because of claims and info alone.

Casey_Risk wrote:

GG, congrats to scum on their win! Sorry I've been so inactive lately, I'm going to try to be better in the future.

My two cents on modkills ending the day: they should if the modkilled player is town but should not if they are scum. That way it will always hurt the team of the player who got modkilled, thus maximally disincentivizing rule breaking.

Ya I thought about that. In hindsight sight, probably should’ve let the DP continue with Mikal’s mod kill. Would’ve still been MYLO tho

Lunatic wrote:

Mikal should’ve 100% been lynched DP2 for a couple of reasons

Hmm… I felt like that was about happen. Maybe something happened to prevent that from happening? I don’t remember.

Do you really need me to go back and highlight exactly which words were 100% identical? I can do that. But paraphrasing means you explain at a higher level and in a different structure. If you had said it talks about chemical properties at a high level and then explained a few instead of stating, every last one, I would’ve been fine with it, but we can ask ChatGPT lol.

I am not arguing that it wasn't identical. Just that it was changed, even if slightly. And that is a paraphrase. Also you convienently missed the bulk of my argument about how mod kills severely impact a game and should be used with more discretion. But I take it you did that because you know you fucked up but don't wanna admit it. It's cool at the end of the day it was your own game you ruined.

Lunatic wrote:

I am not arguing that it wasn't identical. Just that it was changed, even if slightly. And that is a paraphrase. Also you convienently missed the bulk of my argument about how mod kills severely impact a game and should be used with more discretion. But I take it you did that because you know you fucked up but don't wanna admit it. It's cool at the end of the day it was your own game you ruined.

Thats not what a paraphrase is lmao. If you did what you did in the real world, it’s plagiarism. Idk what definition of paraphrase you’re using but copying 90% of the words is not a paraphrase by any means. And yes it influenced the game because it was basically a copy paste of your PM, which we all know is banned. Objectively it was justified, which everyone pretty much agrees. You’re welcome to die on your die, but for the integrity of the game, it was mechanically similar to you copy pasting your PM, which should always result in a modkill.

Thats not what a paraphrase is lmao. If you did what you did in the real world, it’s plagiarism.

Yeah but this isn't a college essay, its a game of forum mafia. I am not getting some degree I didn't earn like I would have if I was plagiarizing. The benefit here is allegedly that it makes me look slightly more town, but I have yet to hear an argument how that does, especially when I as scum am very capable of google searching and info dumping. If you can't realistically explain how the impact of a mod kill is justified other than you being pissed about an arbitrary rule break (which I still disagree that wasn't paraphrased), then you really don't have much to say here.

Objectively it was justified, which everyone pretty much agrees.

Both kohai and magoroth messaged me they thought the modkill was crazy. Kohai is known for being an overly strict mod, and you argued with mago for days in his endgame about his modding methods. Not only is your ad populum wrong, your a hypocrite lol.

I’ll go on record saying i understand the modkill but feel it should have at least been played out loner.

the Mikal kill was 100% justified

I also think Luna could have worded their claim a lot better

You’re entitled to your opinion that it wasn’t a paraphrase but this is literally a Patrick vs Man-Ray situation lol.

And Kohai said you were retarded and should’ve been mod killed lol. So crazy meaning you were a retard to do that. I have the receipts of that. Never asked Mago, but it was probably before I had posted the flip.

But also, what you’re saying is if you fake created a full PM in the exact same structure, it shouldn’t be mod kill able, which is stupid.

As for modding methods, that’s a completely false equivalency fallacy lol. He didn’t bother enforcing rules. But those rules were stupid and unique to that game. My rules have been the rules since the beginning of mafia. You can’t use 90% of the same words, in the same order, and in the same structure and call that a “paraphrase.” That’s anti-thetical to the definition of paraphrase. WF, Kohai, Helz, Mikal, Casey, all agree with me, and I’m sure Mago will too, so nice try.

I think something along tbe lines of

I’m Krypton, a compulsive hider. Justification: I come from the Greek word meaning hider and eluded detection for so long

would have been more than sufficient.

Oh wow, once I presented what you did side by side to Mago, he agreed that it’s mod killable. And he said he told you before he saw the role PM. Nice try

And Kohai said you were retarded and should’ve been mod killed lol. So crazy meaning you were a retard to do that. I have the receipts of that. Never asked Mago, but it was probably before I had posted the flip.

Thats crazy because he said to me that he thought you were retarded. Getting two different stories.

But also, what you’re saying is if you fake created a full PM in the exact same structure, it shouldn’t be mod kill able, which is stupid.

That makes no sense and is not what I am saying. I am saying context should matter and if its possible I could have made that PM up as scum and googled that info, then I was never "confirmed" by posting it.

As for modding methods, that’s a completely false equivalency fallacy lol. He didn’t bother enforcing rules. But those rules were stupid and unique to that game.

If he was enforcing his rules and banning everyone who didnt RP as their character the game would have been super gay because literally 70% of the player base it was super obvious to tell who they were. Your game ended up super gay because you handed out mod kills left and right, and took player control out of the picture, actively favoring the scum team by giving them a free mislynch.

My rules have been the rules since the beginning of mafia.

And how often do people get modkilled? Only one in recent history is magic, who was actively wanting to throw and be modkilled. People post similar pm structure all the time. Would really kill the game and the few players we haves interest if we just hand them out willy nilly like that. Luckily the rest of the playerbase isnt that retarded. You seem cool with ruining your own games, but if this was the status queue I doubt people would wanna play this game. Its one thing to fear the mafia, but in this game the mod kills were more feared lol.

WF, Kohai, Helz, Mikal, Casey, all agree with me, and I’m sure Mago will too, so nice try.

I've talked to several of these individuals and have heard more nuanced takes lol. So they are either playing both sides, or you are lying. That said even if they do agree with you fully that I should have been modkilled they are just wrong. And thats okay. I dont care if people don't think it was a good enough paraphrase. I care about people thinking it should have resulted in a flat out mod kill. Most people I have talked to seem to agree that it was a bad paraphrase job, which I will admit. But most of them also think the straight up mod kill was too far.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Oh wow, once I presented what you did side by side to Mago, he agreed that it’s mod killable. And he said he told you before he saw the role PM. Nice try

Receipts baby. They are either being fake as fuck, or your lying.

Lol here is what Kohai said:

That makes no sense and is not what I am saying. I am saying context should matter and if its possible I could have made that PM up as scum and googled that info, then I was never "confirmed" by posting it.

Okay, then if you create a full PM and copy paste it, it’s possible to make it up and post it as scum. You’re still not confirmed. So you’re endorsing creating fake PMs and posting them as scum. That’s always been banned.

If he was enforcing his rules and banning everyone who didnt RP as their character the game would have been super gay because literally 70% of the player base it was super obvious to tell who they were. Your game ended up super gay because you handed out mod kills left and right, and took player control out of the picture, actively favoring the scum team by giving them a free mislynch.

I enforced the rules that have been commonplace for years. Your “paraphrase” was objectively not a paraphrase based on everyone’s assessment, as well as ChatGPT lol. Did I mod kill you when you first gave your justification? No, because it was a paraphrase at a higher level and you didn’t include every last detail almost verbatim. Here you did. As for Mikal, he was well aware that you can’t edit posts. He did it anyways. Not going to tolerate that.

I've talked to several of these individuals and have heard more nuanced takes lol. So they are either playing both sides, or you are lying. That said even if they do agree with you fully that I should have been modkilled they are just wrong. And thats okay. I dont care if people don't think it was a good enough paraphrase. I care about people thinking it should have resulted in a flat out mod kill. Most people I have talked to seem to agree that it was a bad paraphrase job, which I will admit. But most of them also think the straight up mod kill was too far.

Ive heard the opposite. Most everyone says it was modkillable. And again, it sets a bad precedent. Next thing you know, scum create a fake PM and copy paste it. It was not a paraphrase by any objective standard

Fresh off the press from Mago.

I don’t understand this “scum could create a fake pm and copy paste it” argument. Why wouldn’t they be allowed to do that? Lol

Mago still didn’t kill anyone, not even Mikal who was using extreme OGI even after he said not to. As bad a mod as you thought he was, at least he didn’t ruin the whole game because of his ego like you did lmao

Lunatic wrote:

I don’t understand this “scum could create a fake pm and copy paste it” argument. Why wouldn’t they be allowed to do that? Lol

Okay, so you’re saying town should be allowed to copy paste their PM?

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I don’t understand this “scum could create a fake pm and copy paste it” argument. Why wouldn’t they be allowed to do that? Lol

Okay, so you’re saying town should be allowed to copy paste their PM?

You said scum not town. I am asking why scum can’t create a fake role pm and copy paste it? Town could easily just say it’s a lie and lynch them especially if there not even a warning from the mod

Lunatic wrote:

Mago still didn’t kill anyone, not even Mikal who was using extreme OGI even after he said not to. As bad a mod as you thought he was, at least he didn’t ruin the whole game because of his ego like you did lmao

Mikal used OGI this game too, even though he lied about. The whole bus driver thing was a complete lie. I didn’t mod kill him for that. If OGI was against the rules for Mago, he should’ve killed him. It’s a false premise. I don’t think OGI is inherently AI. Mago does. But if he does, he failed to enforce it, which is his problem

You said scum not town. I am asking why scum can’t create a fake role pm and copy paste it? Town could easily just say it’s a lie and lynch them especially if there not even a warning from the mod

So if scum do that, and don’t get mod killed. What does that tell the townies?

You’re essentially endorsing Copy paste of PMs for every faction

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Mago still didn’t kill anyone, not even Mikal who was using extreme OGI even after he said not to. As bad a mod as you thought he was, at least he didn’t ruin the whole game because of his ego like you did lmao

Mikal used OGI this game too, even though he lied about. The whole bus driver thing was a complete lie. I didn’t mod kill him for that. If OGI was against the rules for Mago, he should’ve killed him. It’s a false premise. I don’t think OGI is inherently AI. Mago does. But if he does, he failed to enforce it, which is his problem

The issue of modding severely impacting games, effecting balance, and being used with more discretion still hasn’t been touched. You just keep repeating that rule breaks should be immediately met with mod kills without discretion.

The issue of middling severely impacting games, effecting balance, and being used with more discretion still hasn’t been touched. You just keep repeating that rule breaks should be immediately met with mod kills without discretion. 

If it’s a blatant rule violation and intentful, then yes. Rules are there for a reason.

ILikePie5 wrote:

You said scum not town. I am asking why scum can’t create a fake role pm and copy paste it? Town could easily just say it’s a lie and lynch them especially if there not even a warning from the mod

So if scum do that, and don’t get mod killed. What does that tell the townies?

You’re essentially endorsing Copy paste of PMs for every faction

Nah I’m telling you to be realistic. This ain’t something that is happening or will happen and to say it is, is a slippery slope fallacy. At the end of the day scum posting fake scum pms will hurt them more than help and context matters.

ILikePie5 wrote:

The issue of middling severely impacting games, effecting balance, and being used with more discretion still hasn’t been touched. You just keep repeating that rule breaks should be immediately met with mod kills without discretion. 

If it’s a blatant rule violation and intentful, then yes. Rules are there for a reason.

At this point you’re just repeating the same point and not addressing the heart of the issue. Not really sure what to say to you. Again it’s your game, you wanna bastard mod that’s on you. It just takes away from everyone else’s experience.