Kammiecakes: "I don't aspire to be humble"

Being humble without outwardly admitting it—or practicing "silent humility"—is about letting your actions and attitudes reflect a grounded perspective rather than proclaiming it. True humility involves understanding your limitations, managing your ego, and focusing on others rather than oneself

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Here are specific ways to practice this:

Behaviors of Hidden Humility

1. Give Credit to Others: Instead of highlighting your own role in a success, shine the spotlight on colleagues, mentors, or team members.
2. Listen More, Talk Less: Actively listen to others without interrupting or constantly interjecting your own opinions.
3. Ask for Help: Actively seeking input or assistance from those with more experience demonstrates that you recognize your own limitations.
4. Allow Others to Go First: In situations ranging from conversations to literal queues, letting others have the spotlight or preference shows you do not feel entitled to superiority.
5. Avoid Bragging: Resist the urge to boast about accomplishments; let your work speak for itself. 

Mental Shifts (Mindset)

1. Focus on Self-Improvement: Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to other people.
2. Embrace Being Wrong: View having your opinions challenged as an opportunity to learn, rather than a threat to your ego.
3. Own Your Mistakes Instantly: When you fail, take responsibility immediately without defending yourself or over-explaining.
4. Recognize Your Limitations: Understand that you do not have all the information or answers, and you do not need to. 

Interpersonal Approaches

1. Show Genuine Curiosity: Ask questions to understand others' perspectives, rather than judging them.
2. Gratitude: Express thanks for the opportunities and assistance you receive.
3. Avoid Self-Deprecation: True humility is not about putting yourself down (which can actually be a form of seeking attention) but rather about thinking of yourself less. 

"Have more than you show, and speak less than you know". 

I have learned in life that only poor people are humble.

In fact, being humble when it comes to magic work is worst thing you can do. the words which come out of your mouth and your thoughts define you. If you think of yourself as small, well, yes, thats what you will be.

Humility Isn't About Poverty, It's About Character Being humble doesn't mean you should be poor. You can be humble and wealthy

You can be humble and wealthy

You can, but so far no one was.

A few names of wealthy but humble people.

A few names we can remember are — Warren Buffet, Narayan Murthy, Azim Premji, Bill Gates, Chuck Feeney, Ingvar Kamprad, Jose Mujica, Christy ..

A few names of wealthy but humble people.

Bill Gates

What is humble about him exactly? His car collection definitely isnt.

Bill Gates is seen as humble 

due to his focus on philanthropy over personal wealth, modest lifestyle choices (like washing dishes and limiting tech for kids), valuing problem-solving over "winning," and having mentors like Warren Buffett keep him grounded, all while emphasizing empowering others rather than hoarding riches. 

the guy has car collection alone worth 2.5 million dollars.

Humility Isn't About Poverty, It's About Character Being humble doesn't mean you should be poor. You can be humble and wealthy

I actually am growing to believe this is impossible. I am that extreme that I think there is actually virtue in staying relatively poor (but not properly poor, just on the poorer side of whatever 'middle' is in your relative town/city).

This is so extreme an idea that I hold that I think if someone gets too much inheritance they definitely should sacrifice it even if it makes their children have to live poorer (but again poor not as in starving or totally rags for clothes, poor as in poorer side of medium as the goal but less is acceptable as long as it isn't poverty).

If you think hard about what it is to be wealthy, no matter how 'humble' you believe you are and try to think like you can't possibly be humble if you think you deserve more net wealth by far, than most. It's fundamentally impossible to be wealthy to a definite 'he/she is rich' degree and believe you don't deserve it at the same time and act on that belief.

I am aware my idea isn't practical, in this day and age what exactly can a son or daughter of someone as right and known as Bill Gates do? If he/she lives poor, then he/she likely gets taken for ransom soon by criminals in the area. Furthermore, he/she will be ridiculed for it and stick out like a sore thumb even in church if recognised, unless in church at their affluent area.

I think it's very, very difficult to be a good Christian if you're born into wealth and/or fame. It's just so incredibly difficult because the entirety of your life circumstances gravitate you towards arrogance and the capacity to regulary sin even as severe as mortal sin and in a secular sense get away with them.

The aim is also ridiculous-seeming. How would you operate so you end up working class or slightly above it, if born affluent? It's very difficult. You also need to justify to your spouse and children why you ditched all that wealth to charity etc rather than kept it when getting inheritance or chances at higher wealth assisted by your parents/guardians.

All of this leads to that you must first avoid any form of golddigger partner. A man can be a gold-digger even that he himself is greed-driven would mean he's a variant of self-run gold digger (he bases life decisions on wealth, he's the breadwinning side of gold digger relationship).

It's all toxic. You need to make very sure you chose the right partner.

I think there is actually virtue in staying relatively poor

there is actually no way to get rich in a moral way.

If you inherit wealth, you did basically nothing to deserve it.

If you obtain wealth by government power, that is theft.

If you obtain wealth by trade, then you basically just took advantage of market scarcity, and it isnt really your effort as much as it is God's gift of such circumstances.

trade is least evil, but still evil way to get rich. And once you are rich, per religion, you cant logically stay rich. And this is true for almost every religion I know. Sikhism and Bible basically teach sharing and even life of poverty. Quran allows for person to be somewhat rich, but its highly recommended to donate to charity, not all wealth, but a good part of it. Hindusim has mixed teachings, different groups teach different stuff, but you definitely want good karma and its easiest to achieve with money if you are rich.

But this is actually a bit unfair to the poor. If you think about it, rich person has opportunity to do many good things by power of mere money, while poor person doesnt. But this is why rich person is judged more, and held to a higher standard.

Its actually a terrible disadvantage even morally to have opportunity to do good things and choose not to do it but instead please yourself.

this is why being rich is actually a curse, because people dont part with wealth easily.

Rich people are given power to change people's lives greatly, and if they waste that power, its very bad for them. But the temptation of wealth is too great, for most people, its better not to have wealth.

And being poor helps others too, it leaves more resources for others, lower demand for goods, lower demand for food reduces price...ect.

But they are old cars. He is an antique car collector.

You can [be wealthy & humble], but so far no one was.

I've said before it appears you don't get out much, or avoid meeting people, but your conclusion is not the way it is. Yes, many wealthy people are misers, but I know several people of great wealth who are humble, generous, and active in their support [by more than money] in changing the poor, so the claim that this is not so is an empty claim.

there is actually no way to get rich in a moral way.

Nonsense. Unless you feel that somehow there is evil in investing in gold, silver, and real property, which I have been doing continuously since the late 70s. If there is, I've not experienced it. I've done it entirely above-board, in the open, and pay my due in taxes on my increases, but take all deductions offered by law. Tell me how that is immoral.

If you were humble and generous youd give too much away to stay wealthy.

Inheriting can mean you were a good son/grandson etc.

I know several people of great wealth who are humble

Being wealthy means having money and keeping it to yourself. If person didnt keep money for self, person wouldnt be wealthy in the first place. So being wealthy by definition means more money to you than to some other person. And there is no way to escape this logic, because wealthy by definition means having more than others. God is the universal provider who provides for all, and likewise God wants us to be universal providers, not keepers. You cannot be humble while hoarding millions. Humble means staying low, not going into heavens with hoarded wealth.

And worst part is this: If you have a hoarded wealth and not using it to help others, then you are either using it for yourself or it just sits on a pile helping no one.

So there is a true trilemma:

1. You use money to help others
2. You use money to benefit yourself
3. Money stays on pile

Only option 1 is morally permissible on large scale, option 2 is only good if in very small amount, and option 3 is a great sin, because it is like being able to help someone and not doing it.

If you live in a free country, you are allowed to spend your money at your own discretion.

this reality is fake, I fight the demiurge which I also worship at the same time. But again, if God gave you money, I suggest spending it in a way God would.

If you were humble and generous youd give too much away to stay wealthy.

this is actually what people get wrong about this reality. they try to be humble in words and not humble at all in wealth.

Opposite is actually preferable. You are supposed to be humble in wealth and possessions, and not humble at all in words about yourself. So you think highly of yourself, but dont have much wealth, or if having a lot of wealth, then give it away to be humble in wealth.

I realized that words and thoughts are actually frequencies which you send into the world. If you think of yourself as small, you will become small. If you think of yourself as ignorant, you will become ignorant, and this is basically just universe responding to your thoughts and matching them. It is also your brain trying to achieve a goal which you set before it. If you set goal of being small, brain will work to achieve goal of being small.

this is why people who pray get prayer wrong often. You are actually supposed to aim for greatness in prayer while at the same time being humble in wealth, or if having wealth, then sharing it. Wealth is just Gods working through you to help others, and if you refuse to help others with wealth, you are rejecting divine currencies from you.

there is an incorrect teaching in this world, where people are taught to be humble in words about themselves, but not humble in their wealth at all.

Very few people are humble in both words and wealth. However, you generally dont want to be humble in words about yourself. You are just instructing your brain to make you worse than you are.

You must think you are humble in wealth since you don’t have any and depend on your parents for handouts. But you must also think you are rich in prayer since you pray everyday your parents can give you money. That way you consider yourself humble in both words and money.

you pray everyday your parents can give you money

Why would I pray for that?

Because you said you don’t have any unless your parents give you money. Only prayer can sustain that line.

If you were humble and generous youd give too much away to stay wealthy.

Not when the revenue stream may be without doing any further work, which is not the case in my case, and not when the revenue stream is based upon a continuously increasing value over time starting ahead even off inflation, even if not day-to-day, and finally, not when generosity does not exceed revenue stream.

Being wealthy means having money and keeping it to yourself.

Nope. I habitually give 20% of my revenue stream to charity, but have yet to actually diminish assets.

I habitually give 20% of my revenue stream to charity, but have yet to actually diminish assets.

that is very good. But it still means you keep 80% for not charity, assuming that is after taxes and not before. You see, the issue with wealth is that it is God given ability to help others. this is why rich people are tested in a certain way, that they are tempted to keep more wealth for themselves, which actually ruins them, because help which was in divine plan meant to go to others goes to them. the divine plan was originally that one person is rich, other is poor, so that the one who is rich can help the one who is poor. this is actual divine plan, and perfect reality of Monad. It is not divine plan for one person to be in worse situation than other, but that the one in better situation helps the one in worse situation. And there are a lot of people in the world suffering from starvation, lack of water, malnutrition, homelessness. these people are not meant to be in this situation per divine plan, but are to be saved from this situation through divine will which acts through those who are able to provide.

The assertion that poverty is created solely by irresponsible people is a widely debated topic with multiple perspectives

. While some argue that personal decisions play a role, research and sociological studies largely point to a combination of structural factors, systemic issues, and individual circumstances. 

Here is a breakdown of the different viewpoints regarding the causes of poverty:

Perspectives Linking Poverty to Irresponsibility (Individualistic View)

1. Behavioral Choices: This perspective holds that poverty is often a result of laziness, immorality, or poor decisions such as failing to finish school, not seeking full-time work, or having children before being financially stable.
2. Mindset: Some argue that poverty is a "state of mind," suggesting that a lack of ambition or a bad attitude keeps individuals in poverty, regardless of their circumstances.
3. Lack of Foresight: It is argued that failure to save for retirement or emergencies indicates a lack of financial responsibility that leads to poverty. 

Perspectives Linking Poverty to Structural Issues (Systemic View)

1. Economic Structures: Many experts argue that poverty is fundamentally caused by how society is structured, such as inadequate wages, lack of affordable housing, and limited access to healthcare.
2. Lack of Opportunity: Factors such as racism, sexism, and segregation create disparities in education and employment that place individuals at a disadvantage regardless of their effort.
3. The "Poverty Trap": Research shows that poverty makes it harder to make good decisions. The mental burden and stress of poverty can impair cognitive function, making it difficult to escape.
4. Cyclical Nature: Many people move in and out of poverty due to temporary situations like losing a job, illness, or divorce, rather than a permanent state of irresponsibility. 

Key Takeaways

1. Victim Blaming: Attributing poverty solely to the individual is often viewed as "victim-blaming," which minimizes the impact of broader societal problems.
2. Complexity: Most experts agree that poverty is a complex phenomenon caused by a "mesh" of factors, including personal decisions, luck, and opportunity.
3. Data vs. Perception: While some believe poor people waste money more than others, studies indicate they often spend a higher proportion of their income on essential needs. 

When did I say my acquisition of wealth beyond the 20% I donate is just for me? I have children and grandchildren. Inheritance.

Keep up the good work and avoid poverty at all costs.