Smoking does not always cause addiction, neither does alcohol, except in weak people

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#1 •••

I dont understand those who say that smoking causes addiction.


First, I was a second hand smoker for whole life.


Second, I actually do have time when I smoke just because I feel like it.


I also drink when I feel like it.


But I dont smoke every day. In fact, I sometimes dont smoke for months or whole year. Same with alcohol.


I have no any issues being without cigarette for months or years.


And I never smoked a lot. Like, probably the most I ever smoked was 3 cigarettes in one day.


But I usually stick to limit of 1 cigarette per day, when I smoke.


So I go for months without cigarette, then just smoke one for fun.


Well, actually, nicotine is good for brain in small amounts, because nicotine is brain stimulant.


tho I know vape is probably healthier than cigarette, vape contains nicotine without all the poisons cigarette contains.


But again, I dont feel addiction to smoking either way. I just cant understand why would it cause addiction.


Of course, personally, I hate almost all smokers because they are abusing nicotine and not really benefiting from it.


I agree smoking is bad for most people, because they are weak and get addicted easily. I just seem to be unable to get addicted at all to smoking.


Of course, I am already used to being special.


I am one of rare people who smoke not because smoking feels good or anything, but because I understand my brain needs some small dose of nicotine to get stimulated, but just small doze, maybe one cigarette per month is sufficient dose.


People who smoke because it feels good, yeah those are the ones who get addicted because you generally need to smoke more to keep feeling good, and at some point, your dopamine system adjusts and starts not giving you dopamine any time you lack nicotine.


But those people are just stupid. Why would someone smoke to feel good? that really doesnt pay off.

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#2 •••
@SatanLucy

Nicotine generally causes addiction.


Though by the sounds of it, you only pretend to smoke.


Not that there is any guarantee that what you say is true.

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#3 •••
@SergeantLynch
Nicotine generally causes addiction.


there are some very addicting things, such as masturbation. Person who is hypersexual literally cannot control sexual urges, and cant go without masturbation for longer than 1 month.


Nicotine simply isnt a built in urge. At least not for me. I do feel urge to smoke, but its such a tiny urge that it can effectively be ignored for months if not years.


the trick is usually to link dopamine system to something else. Its all about dopamine system, and the only ones who develop nicotine addiction are those who teach their dopamine system to react mostly to nicotine, and then when they stop using nicotine, they cant get dopamine.


My brain gets dopamine from many things. I simply dont let dopamine system get linked purely to nicotine.


Its sort of like person who does only art for fun, compared to person who does art, sports, video games, masturbation...ect. the first person who does only art for fun would be severly disturbed if doing art became impossible, where other person who does many things alongside art gets disturbed much less.


I would say I am much more addicted to alcohol than nicotine, but I do regularly go months without wine too, and I am a person who can literally make alcohol at home easily. I just dont feel high urge to smoke and drink.

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#4 •••
@SatanLucy

Millions of people are addicted, but you overturn that observation on the basis of a sample of one that has not become addicted.


Wow, I didn't realize you were a scientist.

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#5 •••

chronically unemployed, socially crippled, dedicated to die as a lifelong NEET from this point on.


Well done, thanks for telling us what 'weak' is.


I prefer listening to stuff like this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoIK6Rr71TE

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#6 •••
@GreatfulGoy

Never get drawn in by anything that SL AKA BK. says.


Occasionally they are reasonably lucid, bust mostly it's BS.


Not sure if they are a serial fantasist or just an out and out spammer.

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#7 •••
@Sidewalker
Millions of people are addicted, but you overturn that observation on the basis of a sample of one that has not become addicted


It just means it doesn't always cause addiction.

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#8 •••
chronically unemployed, socially crippled, dedicated to die as a lifelong NEET from this point on


This isn't really a topic about my employment, or what you consider "weak" is.

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#9 •••
@SatanLucy
It just means it doesn't always cause addiction.


If you draw conclusions from your sample of one (you), we have to conclude that people are unemployable, incels, pedophiles, illogical, freaks.


I'm pretty sure it's unscientific to define humans based on a one-man freak show.



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#10 •••
@SatanLucy
This isn't really a topic about my employment, or what you consider "weak" is.


Your sampling technique defines what "weak" is.

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#11 •••
@Sidewalker
If you draw conclusions from your sample of one (you


Its called inductive to deductive reasoning.


P1. All people get addicted to smoking

P2. there is observation of one person who didnt get addicted to smoking.

P3. If P2 is true, P1 is false.

P4. P2 is true

C. P1 is false.

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#12 •••
Its called inductive to deductive reasoning.


Nope, it's called lack of reasoning.


P1. All people get addicted to smoking
P2. there is observation of one person who didnt get addicted to smoking.
P3. If P2 is true, P1 is false.
P4. P2 is true
C. P1 is false.


You changed P1, your initial premise was "people get addicted to smoking", and they do, your attempt to make yourself the measure of mankind is stupid.


All you argued is that you are an exception to the rule, people aren't freaks because you are a freak.

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#13 •••
@Sidewalker
people aren't freaks because you are a freak.


I am sure that being easily addicted to smoking is not an advantage in life. In fact, being able to control smoking is greatest advantage.


You can call that "being a freak", but really, who would choose to be unable to control smoking.

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#14 •••

You have such self control yet do not try to get a job.


What does that tell you?

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#15 •••
You have such self control yet do not try to get a job.


two responses: 1. Getting a job is self-contradiction. 2. No one ever mentioned having self-control here. What was talked about is ability to control nicotine intake. So again, I dont even know what you are talking about, but its clearly irrelevant.

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#16 •••
@SatanLucy
Its called inductive to deductive reasoning.


Your attempted logic in your post #11 is flawed. It is neither inductive nor deductive reasoning and the whole is not at all reasonable because P1 is not true, and neither is P2. P1 dictates that all people are addicted to smoking. Non-smokers [I never have] cannot be addicted, particularly when not frequenting exposure to second-hand smoke, yet it is still possible to have lung cancer [Christopher Reeve's wife, Dana, was an example]. P2 dictates that one observed person did not get addicted. There are more non-smokers observed than one, so P2 is also false. Inductive reasoning is specific-to-general logic. Deduction is general-to-specific logic. Your argument sequence in #11 is neither inductive not deductive; it's nonsense. You appear to be trying to describe the modal ontological argument [MOA], based upon S5 modal logic, which is distinguished by necessity, impossibility, and contingency as necessary factors, but you did not go there, at all.


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#17 •••

It’s not about being weak. Some people enjoy smoking whereas some don’t.


I enjoy smoking. I smoke around a pack a day.

I barely drink, and when I do, it’s rare that I drink more than one beer.


My cousin used to smoke but he never smoked as much as I do. And he eventually quit because he didn’t like it.

On the flip side he drinks a lot more than I do.



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#18 •••

“People who smoke because it feels good, yeah those are the ones who get addicted because you generally need to smoke more to keep feeling good, and at some point, your dopamine system adjusts and starts not giving you dopamine any time you lack nicotine.


But those people are just stupid. Why would someone smoke to feel good? that really doesnt pay off."


I used to smoke because it feels good, now I smoke either because I enjoy the taste (when I smoke cigarillos), or because it’s something I do.

It most certainly doesn’t cause that type of dependence. My dad for instance has been smoking for years and he doesn’t get depressed or feel bad when he doesn’t smoke, he just gets sleepy.


I could go for several days without smoking. It takes years to get really, really dependent on nicotine.


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#19 •••

Can't smoke if you're wearing a mask

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#20 •••

Why smoking is highly addictive.

Smoking is highly addictive because nicotine rapidly reaches the brain, triggering dopamine release for pleasure, which rewires the brain to crave more, leading to physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms like anxiety and irritability when trying to quit, creating powerful habits linked to daily routines and emotions

How nicotine hijacks the brain:

  1. Rapid Delivery: Inhaled smoke delivers nicotine to the brain within seconds, creating a fast "rush".
  2. Dopamine Release: Nicotine stimulates the brain's reward center, causing the release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that creates pleasurable feelings, boosting mood and focus.
  3. Brain Changes: Over time, the brain adapts to nicotine, increasing the number of nicotine receptors and changing its chemistry, making it seem like nicotine is needed just to feel normal. 

The cycle of addiction:

  1. Tolerance: You need more nicotine to get the same pleasurable effect.
  2. Withdrawal: When nicotine levels drop, the brain experiences withdrawal, causing cravings, headaches, anxiety, irritability, and difficulty concentrating.
  3. Compulsive Use: Smoking becomes a compulsive behavior, driven by the need to relieve withdrawal and maintain the pleasurable feelings, even knowing the harmful consequences. 

Psychological and behavioral factors:

  1. Habit Formation: Smoking becomes tied to daily routines, like drinking coffee or taking breaks, creating powerful behavioral patterns.
  2. Emotional Coping: People often use smoking to manage stress, anxiety, or other negative moods, linking it to emotional regulation. 

Why it's hard to quit:

  1. Quitting means breaking these ingrained physical dependencies and psychological habits, which can be incredibly challenging. Support and coping strategies help reset the brain and break these patterns. 




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#21 •••
@transgENDER_DRAGON
Can't smoke if you're wearing a mask


I dont really like masks. Difficult to breathe in them. Other than therian masks. those are cute.

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#22 •••
@SatanLucy

Masks can help you avoid smoking or at least reduce the frequency.

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