WAR on atheism series , installment #1 | Forum

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Good day, and welcome to the first edition and installment of C.A.T.A. series.

This will be a weekly series , weekly or by weekly hosted by Satan Lucy.

I am your co-host. To get involved, do as you always do, atheist, theist alike, pagan, agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., participate in this forum thread leaving comments, tagging the host with questions .

C.A.T.A. is counter arguments to atheism.

A counter atheist code developed by way of suggestions from Satan Lucy.

Which you can view by going to discord.

S.L. will tell you where to view this code and counter code in action and perhaps post screenshots.

Now, without further a'do, I like to introduce to some and present to others, S.L. ,Satan Lucy.

S.L. , how are you?

This installment is an introduction to the atheist experience on social media.

Tells us first from experience, what is the definition of atheism, the definitions that atheists typically give?

Tell us about some of the arguments you get from atheists on discord?

What do you suggest in how to articulate an argument to counter an atheist that makes positive claims?

If you have a book written, such as a go-to guide, if someone that has maybe been unable to overcome the argument from an atheist, what would the table of contents look like in that book, the chapter and page number, what would it say?

What are the common arguments from atheists that the gods of theism don't exist?

Talk about some of the common positive claims they make while claiming their position is totally neutral that doesn't make any claims?

Are all atheists poor at their argumentation against the gods of theism?

What do you suggest from your book so to speak or in your book, how theists should go about arguing for theism?

Is atheism another religion?

That's all the initial questions I have for this week's installment.

Of course we invite others to join in and ask questions to S.L.

Join us again for the next installment discussing a different facet.

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Good day, and welcome to the first edition and installment of C.A.T.A. series. This will be a weekly series , weekly or by weekly hosted by Satan Lucy. I am your co-host. To get involved, do as you always do, atheist, theist alike, pagan, agnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., participate in this forum thread leaving comments, tagging the host with questions . C.A.T.A. is counter arguments to atheism. A counter atheist code developed by way of suggestions from Satan Lucy. Which you can view by going to discord.S.L. will tell you where to view this code and counter code in action and perhaps post screenshots. Now, without further a'do, I like to introduce to some and present to others, S.L. ,Satan Lucy. S.L. , how are you? This installment is an introduction to the atheist experience on social media. Tells us first from experience, what is the definition of atheism, the definitions that atheists typically give? Tell us about some of the arguments you get from atheists on discord? What do you suggest in how to articulate an argument to counter an atheist that makes positive claims? If you have a book written, such as a go-to guide, if someone that has maybe been unable to overcome the argument from an atheist, what would the table of contents look like in that book, the chapter and page number, what would it say? What are the common arguments from atheists that the gods of theism don't exist? Talk about some of the common positive claims they make while claiming their position is totally neutral that doesn't make any claims? Are all atheists poor at their argumentation against the gods of theism? What do you suggest from your book so to speak or in your book, how theists should go about arguing for theism? Is atheism another religion? That's all the initial questions I have for this week's installment. Of course we invite others to join in and ask questions to S.L. Join us again for the next installment discussing a different facet.

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@Mal

I thank you Mal, for inviting me and giving me opportunity to talk about this serious topic.

But first, I must introduce myself. I am SatanLucy, also known as Cute Channel of Cuteness on discord, and UltimateDarkMagician on tik Tok.

I am the expert in all fields of logic and science, and I have a certified IQ of over 140, as you can see here:

https://iqtest.net/share-result?score=MTQw

I have written many books, such as "Evolution: fairy tale story from childlish atheist imagination and not reality", "Science and all the logical problems scientific atheism faces before it even starts talking of God".

As I am done introducing myself, I will proceed to answer your questions with precision of pure logic and experience I have on the subject matter.

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I thank you Mal, for inviting me and giving me opportunity to talk about this serious topic. But first, I must introduce myself. I am SatanLucy, also known as Cute Channel of Cuteness on discord, and UltimateDarkMagician on tik Tok. I am the expert in all fields of logic and science, and I have a certified IQ of over 140, as you can see here: <img src="https://debatecraft.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/50f9bf22-d748-4f2a-af61-1e6335cdebd0.jpg"> <a href="https://iqtest.net/share-result?score=MTQw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://iqtest.net/share-result?score=MTQw</a> I have written many books, such as "Evolution: fairy tale story from childlish atheist imagination and not reality", "Science and all the logical problems scientific atheism faces before it even starts talking of God". As I am done introducing myself, I will proceed to answer your questions with precision of pure logic and experience I have on the subject matter.

#3

@Mal

S.L. , how are you?

I am good. Due to being theist, I am less likely to suffer from mental health issues than an atheist is.

This installment is an introduction to the atheist experience on social media. Tells us first from experience, what is the definition of atheism, the definitions that atheists typically give?

Definition of atheism is: lack of belief in God. This is the definition atheists usually give. However, atheists believe that God doesn't exist, and here we will explore atheism further when this point is concerned.

Tell us about some of the arguments you get from atheists on discord?

I don't get good arguments from atheists. There is simply no any evidence or logic which could tell us that God doesn't exist. So atheism as a starting point is already a disadvantage. Usual argument I hear from atheists, and this is probably their only somewhat slightly decent argument:

"There is no evidence for God"

And this argument atheists stick to like crazy.

However, argument is terrible, because the conclusion is not supported by the premise. Lack of evidence is not proof for lack of existence, nor proof that lack of belief is a good position. If you think about it, you cannot prove reality with any evidence, you cannot prove goals with any evidence, you cannot prove morality with any evidence. Should we just reject all these things, and live like atheists who have no morality or purpose?

What do you suggest in how to articulate an argument to counter an atheist that makes positive claims?

Atheists will often say that Gods of theism are imaginary. But when I ask for proof for that claim, I don't get it.

If you have a book written, such as a go-to guide, if someone that has maybe been unable to overcome the argument from an atheist, what would the table of contents look like in that book, the chapter and page number, what would it say?

My book, titled "How I make atheists cry like babies", in chapter "failure of atheist science", on the very first page describes that atheists use logic to prove logic, and for this reason, any reasoning atheist does is circular reasoning. This is usually enough to make most atheists cry.

What are the common arguments from atheists that the gods of theism don't exist?

The most common argument is problem of evil, which is a terrible argument.

It fails for 2 reasons:

1. It depends on assumption that evil exists

2. It depends on assumption that God cannot do evil.

These are unproved claims.

Talk about some of the common positive claims they make while claiming their position is totally neutral that doesn't make any claims?

The most common positive claim an atheist makes is "I am an atheist.". When I ask proof for that claim, they get upset because they can't prove it.

Are all atheists poor at their argumentation against the gods of theism?

Yes, very poor.

What do you suggest from your book so to speak or in your book, how theists should go about arguing for theism?

Theists should argue for theism on 3 core principles:

1. Theism as a goal is no more arbitrary than any other goal

2. Theism is on equal proof as any science, due to Munchausen trilemma.

3. God doesn't require evidence in order to exist, and belief in God doesn't require evidence either.

Is atheism another religion?

Yes, but it would be wrong to make atheism equal to religions such as Christianity. These religions teach compassion and mercy. Atheism doesn't teach anything.

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<blockquote>S.L. , how are you?</blockquote> I am good. Due to being theist, I am less likely to suffer from mental health issues than an atheist is. <blockquote>This installment is an introduction to the atheist experience on social media. Tells us first from experience, what is the definition of atheism, the definitions that atheists typically give?</blockquote> Definition of atheism is: lack of belief in God. This is the definition atheists usually give. However, atheists believe that God doesn't exist, and here we will explore atheism further when this point is concerned. <blockquote>Tell us about some of the arguments you get from atheists on discord?</blockquote> I don't get good arguments from atheists. There is simply no any evidence or logic which could tell us that God doesn't exist. So atheism as a starting point is already a disadvantage. Usual argument I hear from atheists, and this is probably their only somewhat slightly decent argument: "There is no evidence for God" And this argument atheists stick to like crazy. However, argument is terrible, because the conclusion is not supported by the premise. Lack of evidence is not proof for lack of existence, nor proof that lack of belief is a good position. If you think about it, you cannot prove reality with any evidence, you cannot prove goals with any evidence, you cannot prove morality with any evidence. Should we just reject all these things, and live like atheists who have no morality or purpose? <blockquote>What do you suggest in how to articulate an argument to counter an atheist that makes positive claims?</blockquote> Atheists will often say that Gods of theism are imaginary. But when I ask for proof for that claim, I don't get it. <blockquote>If you have a book written, such as a go-to guide, if someone that has maybe been unable to overcome the argument from an atheist, what would the table of contents look like in that book, the chapter and page number, what would it say?</blockquote> My book, titled "How I make atheists cry like babies", in chapter "failure of atheist science", on the very first page describes that atheists use logic to prove logic, and for this reason, any reasoning atheist does is circular reasoning. This is usually enough to make most atheists cry. <blockquote>What are the common arguments from atheists that the gods of theism don't exist?</blockquote> The most common argument is problem of evil, which is a terrible argument. It fails for 2 reasons:1. It depends on assumption that evil exists2. It depends on assumption that God cannot do evil. These are unproved claims. <blockquote>Talk about some of the common positive claims they make while claiming their position is totally neutral that doesn't make any claims?</blockquote> The most common positive claim an atheist makes is "I am an atheist.". When I ask proof for that claim, they get upset because they can't prove it. <blockquote>Are all atheists poor at their argumentation against the gods of theism?</blockquote> Yes, very poor. <blockquote>What do you suggest from your book so to speak or in your book, how theists should go about arguing for theism?</blockquote> Theists should argue for theism on 3 core principles:1. Theism as a goal is no more arbitrary than any other goal2. Theism is on equal proof as any science, due to Munchausen trilemma.3. God doesn't require evidence in order to exist, and belief in God doesn't require evidence either. <blockquote>Is atheism another religion?</blockquote> Yes, but it would be wrong to make atheism equal to religions such as Christianity. These religions teach compassion and mercy. Atheism doesn't teach anything.

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@Mal

C.A.T.A. is counter arguments to atheism.

Atheists choose not to believe in God, that's not an "argument, it's just a choice, and so there are no "counter arguments".

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#5

Happy Christmas.

2 Timothy 2:23-26: Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels... the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

1 Corinthians 4:13: When we are slandered, we answer gently. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world—right up to this moment.

Titus 3:9: But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, because they are unprofitable and worthless.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#6

Happy Christmas.

Happy Christmas to you too.

Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels

I agree with that a lot, but I am too addicted to quarrels.

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@SatanLucy

Jesus was an atheist.

From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist.

Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.

Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary.

He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter.

John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Jesus said he was from an alien world.

John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them.

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross?

Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."

Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status.

He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him.

Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"

36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]

37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?

By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation.

If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.

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Jesus was an atheist.From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist. Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary. He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter. John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Jesus said he was from an alien world.John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them. Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible. Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"). Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross? Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross." Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status. He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him. Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation. If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.

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@Debby

Jesus was an atheist

that would be a funny turn of events, to be honest.

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@Debby

If He was an atheist, He would not have been willing to die.

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@SomeDebatePerson

Jesus did not want to die. But the people chose Barabbas over him that left Pontius Pilate no choice but to crucify Jesus.

According to the New Testament,

a crowd chose the prisoner Barabbas to be freed over Jesus during Passover, a decision influenced by religious leaders who wanted Jesus crucified, with Barabbas representing a violent revolutionary or robber and Jesus offering spiritual salvation, leading to Barabbas's release and Jesus's crucifixion.

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@Debby

He would not have put Himself in such a situation if He had no faith.

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@SomeDebatePerson

Jesus tried to replace Judaism with his atheism. He was successful . Christianity replaced Judaism as a universal religion.

Read how Jesus was an atheist.