Ultrarated Tournament Round 2 Sign Ups

See above

So who won the first one?

Just gonna chicken out?

Okay sign me up then I can chicken out after 1 debate.

So who won the first one?

It's still going, it's a multi-round tournament. But some people dropped out. If you want to see who is winning right now, check the leaderboard.

Tournaments like this should have 1 winner.

Um yes, that's why we need multiple rounds.

I'm in.

Your arena. Your rules.

Just know the whole thing is a sham.

If you think WF is one of the best debaters ever you are having a laugh. He is good at rigid tournament style debate only. And that is not the key to debate excellence.

Who is the truly better fighter? The UFC champ for now, prettiednup for the camera cushioned by many riles and judge biases or the street brawl mosntrocity that has a high winrate on the streets?

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cushioned by many riles and judge biases or the street brawl mosntrocity that has a high winrate on the streets

Everyone has biases though. Tournament is designed to eliminate them as much as possible. How is the high winrate on the streets calculated and how does it guard against bias? Mikal had the highest winrate on ddo and you weren't happy with that either.

If you think WF is one of the best debaters ever you are having a laugh

So guy does you countless favors even after everything you tried against him on Dart, and you still talk this way about him. At least have the decency not to tag the guy next time you need something from moderators.

Knockout or surrender.

Tte onky way ti reduce net bias affecting winrate is to maximally.increase judges.

In nearly ALL things like this, wherher fencing, boxing, fashion shows, singing contests, the more a few judges decide the winner the more rigged and BS the entire thing is.

The more chaos and muktitude of debates ti test over and the real grinders rise some way some how.

If you really think ultrarated debatwrs are better automatically, theow them in the normal arena with me in tooics neuther of us are comfoetavke with. Do it 6 times over in 3 weeks and we will see the real.better debater under such pressures.

That diesnt factor in hownunfair irlnis. Power cuts, wifj cut out, busy here, toilet breaking and needing plumving there, chaos.

Judges are randomly assigned and anyone can be one. Only difference from regular is they have to pass a quiz showing they understand how to be objective. If you do a dozen ultrarated debates, you will get dozens of different judges.

Is it possible for the current participants start the second round prematurely while we wait for the remaining 3?

The way it's setup, the outcome still guarantees the remaining 3 will catch up.

Well the idea is to power match with some randomness, so it helps to have everyone in before starting. Shouldn't take long to get the last three, and tbh I still need to do a few things for YouTube and update the voting rubric.

No one here is saying anyone is the best debater.

Id say the standards of what makes a great debater is the ability to convince someone to their perspective.

There are only a few people here that do that. The rest simply win because of structure, or the other forfeits, or the comparison of effort and proof.

Honestly I thought ultrarated was cool until it became its own system. I think ultrarated should just be a regular rating bonus for winning

I think ultrarated should just be a regular rating bonus for winning

How would that work? The whole point is that it prevents gaming the system by randomizing topics and skill matching opponents.

hm... ok so I don't know everything about ultrarated. Can you give me the rundown again?

1. Anyone can propose topics, but there are strict criteria for fairness. Mods approve proposed topics that meet said criteria.
2. When you start a debate, you are matched with a random opponent of similar ultrarated elo level. Topic and sides are randomly assigned, but it's a topic neither of the debaters proposed, to avoid a huge knowledge advantage.
3. For this tournament structure, we're making it more fair by having a large number of participants so that matches correlate more with skill and it's less feasible to noob snipe.
4. There are strict voting criteria to try to avoid bias.
5. Every debate gets 3 votes. You have to vote on a few debates to start a debate. Voters are randomly assigned.

Basically it is designed to address the biggest issues people had with the leaderboards on DART and ddo. I'm hoping this becomes as solid as chess elo, or as impartial as it is possible for debate elo to be, but we shall see.

This might seem like a pain, but the voting rubric and rules have been updated, so I switched everyone's perms so they need to take the quiz again. (Should be easy though.) I discussed this with whiteflame, and the reason for this is frameworks and formatting. Basically, different debaters take different approaches to debate and frameworks, meaning that voters will often penalize debaters who have a different view of how frameworks should work (either negating them entirely or punishing debaters who don't use one). Basically, winners can effectively be decided by who is lucky enough to have voters that agree with their school of thought. If one side argues with a Lincoln–Douglas format and someone else with a Public Forum format, getting two Lincoln–Douglas judges will decide the winner.

So, new rules on voting will basically standardize the format somewhat in that frameworks will be defaulted to as a weighting mechanism. Decided to err on the side of favoring frameworks in ultrarated because (a) they make it easier for voters to judge objectively, and (b) having a standard gets everyone on the same page and will hopefully reduce "format bias," so to speak. Debaters are still allowed to pick any framework they want, but they should use a framework and defend it. All it does in my view is change the order debaters put their arguments, but if that means that the expectations for each side are more clear up front, I think it's worth trying out. This will only apply to ultrarated, though. Everywhere else, it's still the wild west.

Also, if everyone hates this change, we can roll it back. Just explaining the logic behind it.

Done. Updated Voting Rubric thread.

Check #3 post

I'd like to join this one too, but I'm not sure if I have the time to handle two debates at the same time. How will the scheduling work with the second round of the previous tournament?

You are only doing one debate at a time. Sorry if there was confusion about that.

I implicitly assumed that you could not sign up after the first round started. If I was wrong, then put me in.

https://youtu.be/ZfG68GKfbkg?t=157

Please go to your profile > badges, and earn 3 vote badges and 3 topic badges (if you already have 3 of each, don't worry about it). That will be required before we can start the debates.

How to earn fastest?

Dumb it down ty

Take topic/vote quizzes, then propose topics that meet the criteria. If you click to earn vote badges, you should just get 3 temporary badges for free, since no ultrarated debates are in the voting queue.

https://essayservice.com/blog/debate-topics

all 3 topics were taken from there and slightly tweaked, in the first 2 I forgot to give the website credit in the description, sorry. Please fix this if possible, for Intellectual Property copyright reasons.