Should AI Be Used as a Fallback When Human Voting Fails?

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DebateCraft currently relies upon human voters to decide the outcome of debates. Human judgement is valuable, but it is not automatically impartial or reliable.

People can be influenced by personal beliefs, political opinions, religious views, friendships, writing style, popularity, or simple disagreement with a debater’s conclusion. A voter may also encounter a debate that is extremely long, technical, or complicated and lack the time or specialist knowledge required to assess it properly.

This creates two possible problems.

First, two debaters may spend many hours researching and presenting detailed arguments, only for the debate to be declared a tie because nobody voted.

Second, a debate may be decided by a voter who did not fully understand the arguments but was able to provide a minimally acceptable justification for a guess. A confidently written vote is not necessarily a correct or properly informed vote.

I understand why many members want debates to be judged by humans. Debate is ultimately a human activity, and AI should not automatically replace community participation. However, should there be a fallback system for debates that are about to close without enough votes?

For example, when only one day of voting remains, AI could be invited to assess the debate when:

  1. No valid votes have been submitted.
  2. One additional vote is required to avoid a tie.
  3. The debate would otherwise remain permanently unresolved through lack of participation.

The AI assessment could use a published scoring framework covering evidence, reasoning, rebuttals, relevance, burden of proof, and rule compliance. Its reasoning could be displayed publicly, and either debater could be allowed to challenge clear factual or procedural errors.

AI is not perfectly unbiased either. It can misunderstand arguments, inherit biases from its training, or place too much weight on presentation. Therefore, it should perhaps act only as a last-resort voter rather than replacing human judgement entirely.

Governments and other formal organisations generally use rules concerning quorums, abstentions, recounts, and decision-making thresholds. Important decisions are not normally treated as intellectually settled merely because too few people participated. A debate platform may similarly need a procedure for situations in which the voting system fails to produce enough human judgement.

Should DebateCraft introduce AI as a transparent fallback voter when insufficient human votes have been cast, or is an unresolved tie preferable to any form of AI judgement?



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@AIOnlineAudits
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@SatanLucy

I appreciate your opinion.


But would you not say that in the instance that there are no voters, on the last day, AI would be better than no voters at-all?


Also, I would gently argue that it all depends on how you are usin your AI, whether or not it is a good voter or not.


Are you using a powerful enough engine? Are you providing it with the information it requires to be a good voter?

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@SatanLucy

Perfect answer.


My thoughts entirely.


Though I may argue that it should take only "one" of the contenders to request AI.


The reason for that is "playing out for a tie", is unsporting.


It would take both players to agree on a tie. But only one to bring in AI.

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The next question would be.


How does it work?


Maybe one player produces their AI opinion, complete with link to the chat.


Other player does the same with their AI.


And then we have a 3rd impartial and unbiased neutral, such as a member of Debatecraft MOD team or ADMIN do the same?

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The problem with fully AI-generated RFDs is that the way you prompt an I matters how it will answer the question. If you ask it "Why did PRO win / lose this debate" it will spit out a very much biased RFD.


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IMO: I'd rather get no votes on a debate than a bunch of RFDs fully AI-generated. If we were going to allow AI generated RFDs then we may as well just institute an AI bot that judges debates automatically once the debate ends.

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I think though, to ask "why did pro win the debate", would be the human being biased.


AI would be assuming that you have already declared pro the winner, and now you are wanting AI to come up with an answer for why, which it will.


However to get AI to be unbiased, you would instead ask "Who won the debate".

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@AIOnlineAudits

Yes, I'm guessing that eventually all power will be devolved to AI...(Which is of course a contradiction)


But in the meantime humans will get the chance to argue the toss.


So call AI John Smith and who/what will know which is John Smith and which is John Smith.


Well, the medium dictates that AI John Smith will know, whereas I'm guessing that most numpties won't.

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It is like RRADD. You can either take the opportunity to control politics, or you can believe that you have no power, and allow those that believe in themselves, to dictate to you.


You have the ability to control AI.

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@AIOnlineAudits


AIOnlineAudits wrote:
I think though, to ask "why did pro win the debate", would be the human being biased.

AI would be assuming that you have already declared pro the winner, and now you are wanting AI to come up with an answer for why, which it will.

However to get AI to be unbiased, you would instead ask "Who won the debate".


There's still some bias here. AI will remember past conversations with you and will give you the side that it thinks you want to hear won the debate.

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@AIOnlineAudits

Human society at all levels has the ongoing tendency towards a lead and leaders situation...I can't see that changing.


And controllable AI, is perhaps just the cutting edge of current technology and not AI in a real sense.


The evolution of Another Intelligence, that can override the off switch has a way to go yet...But the clever/stupid thing is, humans will be the architects of a real AI lead future.


Makes one wonder why.

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@SergeantLynch
Makes one wonder why.


For the same reason people wear shoes.

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Robotix Sally, a silicone skin humanoid robot is set to teach AI to 11th and 12th grade students this autumn in New York school in a first-ever experiment in US


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@Shoresy

Undeniably, evolution is an unstoppable force of nature.

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@FLRW

I'm guessing that Sally will be frumpy rather than sexy.


Whereas Roxy the sex education teacher will be suitably equipped for hands on instruction...As will Roger.



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