love is a shelter

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Love is not just a means of expression, it takes many forms, not all of them are an evil, though they can be manifested selfishly.


Agapetos. The selfless love of God is a shelter, it is a banner, a place of safety and strength. Not only a place of vulnerability and truth, but a place where your weaknesses are not dispised, where you dont have to be a hero, but a vessel.

Love that is selfless demands sacrifice and openness, and with it, it grants both parts an opportunity to become greater to each other, to explore and intimately know someone deeper.


Song of solomon 2:1-4

1I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.


Love is a house of strength, a place to share joy and riches together.

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#2 •••

"Love" is an over used epithet, that can be attributed to kittens, ice cream, violence and goulash, to give but four out of millions of examples.


I guess that you were feeling all lovely and fluffy when you conceived the above notion, perhaps listening to some dreamy ethereal music.


But no doubt some people do love shelters.

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#3 •••
a place where your weaknesses are not dispised


I have no weaknesses, but I understand other people dont like when others mention their weaknesses.

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#4 •••
@SatanLucy

Some might say that vanity is a weakness.

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#5 •••
@SergeantLynch
Some might say that vanity is a weakness.


People say many things. Doesnt make things they say true. I dont have weaknesses, I have a maximally great brain, my brain is smarter than all other brains.

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#6 •••
@SatanLucy

That’s not what you said in an earlier post.


you said, “Yes. My mental age doesnt match my actual age. this is why my actual age is 30, but my behavior is that of a 13 year old.”

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#7 •••
@SatanLucy

Genii forward material evolution.


They invented the social media that you play with.


They will create AI.

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#8 •••
@SergeantLynch

"Genii forward material evolution" is likely a reference to 

Material Evolution, a UK-based climate tech company that uses AI and alkali-fusion technology to create ultra-low-carbon cement from industrial waste. The company aims to decarbonize the construction industry, with a goal of saving one gigatonne of CO2 by 2040. 

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#9 •••
@Debby

Nope, "material evolution" is a combination of two words that means what it says relative to common definition.

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#10 •••
@SergeantLynch

The phrase "material evolution" is a combination of two separate English words: 

"material" and "evolution"

  1. Material refers to the matter or substance from which something is or can be made. In a scientific context, this could relate to the physical world, specific elements, genetic material, or industrial substances.
  2. Evolution comes from the Latin evolutio, meaning "to unroll like a scroll". In a general sense, it means a process of gradual change or development. In a biological context, it specifically refers to the change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations, largely driven by natural selection acting on genetic variation. 

When combined as "material evolution," the term generally refers to:

  1. The change and development of physical substances or elements over time.
  2. The evolution of organisms as a process rooted in the changes within their genetic material (DNA).
  3. A company name, such as the one that manufactures sustainable cement from industrial byproducts, highlighting a change in the use of materials. 


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#11 •••
@Debby

Mention evolution and people have a tendency to get hung up on Charles Darwin.


Whereas evolution as a Universal process is much bigger than species existence upon this tiny speck of cosmic dust.


Which isn't to suggest that species development is not a vital component of something bigger.


Nor to suggest that ongoing material development upon this tiny speck of cosmic dust is not similarly significant.

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#12 •••
@SergeantLynch

Darwin on the Evolution of Morality

While the process of evolution is purposeless, Darwin argued that the capacity for morality is a natural outgrowth of our social instincts, which evolved because they offered a survival advantage for the community or tribe. 

Key aspects of his view include:

  1. Social Instincts: Darwin observed instances of sympathy, self-sacrifice, and cooperation throughout the animal kingdom. He proposed that any animal with "well-marked social instincts" and sufficient intellectual power would inevitably acquire a moral sense.
  2. Community Welfare: Actions were initially judged as 'good' or 'bad' based on how they affected the well-being and survival of the tribe. Tribes with higher levels of courage, sympathy, and faithfulness flourished better than others.
  3. Enlargement of Sympathy: Darwin viewed moral progress not as an inherent goal of nature, but as the human process of deliberately extending our inborn motive of sympathy to include "men of all races, to the imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of society, and finally to the lower animals". 

The "Is-Ought" Problem and Social Darwinism

A significant philosophical challenge is the "is-ought" problem, first articulated by David Hume: one cannot logically derive moral "oughts" (prescriptions for how we should behave) from biological "is" (descriptions of how nature is). 

Misinterpretations of Darwin's ideas led to problematic ideologies, such as Social Darwinism, a now-discredited idea that applied "survival of the fittest" to human societies to justify social inequality, imperialism, and eugenics. This application, which Darwin himself did not support and often contradicted with his emphasis on universal sympathy, is widely rejected by modern science and philosophy. 

Modern Perspectives

Contemporary evolutionary ethics acknowledges that our evolved psychological dispositions and social instincts form the starting point for moral reasoning, but they do not dictate our final moral code. While evolutionary insights can help us understand why we have certain feelings or behaviors (e.g., kin selection or reciprocal altruism), they don't provide a complete justification for a universal set of human goals. Human beings, through their advanced intellect and capacity for reflection, establish their own purposes and moral standards, often consciously choosing to resist or modify certain natural inclinations (e.g., building asylums or creating systems of law to protect the weak) in pursuit of a higher, self-determined moral standard. 


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#13 •••

Lynch and debby, yall need to stop derailing my topic thread. this is about love in the context of God. Not whatever nonsense yall are talking about.

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The phrase "God's love is a shelter" is 

a metaphor used to describe how divine love provides a safe refuge from the troubles and storms of life. It means that in times of trouble, fear, or hardship, God's love offers protection, peace, and security, much like a physical shelter protects from the elements. This concept is frequently referenced in religious texts, such as the Bible, where verses like Psalm 46:1 describe God as a "shelter and strength, always ready to help in times of trouble". 

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#15 •••
@Ragnar
It takes many forms.



@Malcharaz


Which was exactly my initial response.



So this is a "personal" thread, seemingly unpopular, that unravelled thus.


And I notice that you failed to mention Lucy.



And in my "personal" opinion, everything that you stated, is a latter day fanciful anglicized adaptation of who knows what really. As is most of the Modern westernised bible.


And sadly, and also in my "personal" opinion, divisive adaptations of 4000 year old folk tales are demonstrably more likely to shelter hate rather than provide a love shelter for "Y'all".

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#16 •••
@SergeantLynch
And I notice that you failed to mention Lucy.


I have political immunity.

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#17 •••
Lynch and debby, yall need to stop derailing my topic thread. this is about love in the context of God.


Sadly, on this site, every religious thread gets derailed by the atheists. You cant really have religious thread and talk about love of God without atheists coming just to say that they are atheists who dont believe in God.

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#18 •••

But yes, I think only God can love me, and God is the only one I can love.

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#19 •••
@SatanLucy

This was a personal thread not a religious thread.

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#20 •••
@SergeantLynch

So why talk of God then, silly?

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#21 •••
@SatanLucy

How do you separate love from God who gave his only begotten son .

  1. John 3:16: The full verse reads, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (King James Version).


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#22 •••
@SatanLucy
So why talk of God then, silly?


Well, you did, silly.

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#23 •••
@melcharaz

Not an expert since it has been quite some years since I started a debate, but I don't think that actually tags the mods.

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#24 •••
@SergeantLynch
Well, you did, silly.


Everyone else did too, including you, so you are wrong. Wrong again.

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#25 •••
@SatanLucy

Why does he think it is silly to talk about God?

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#26 •••
@Debby

Silly is a silly word.


Naughty is a naughty word.


And banana is a banana word.


But kumquat is a ridiculous word.

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#27 •••
@SergeantLynch


I use the term kumquart from time to time.

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#28 •••
@FLRW

While "kumquat" is not a formally recognized "silly word," its unique sound and appearance often lead people to perceive it as playful

. It is a real fruit, but the name is sometimes used in informal contexts: 

  1. A Real Fruit Kumquat is a small, edible citrus fruit native to Southeast Asia, resembling a miniature orange. Unlike other citrus, the peel is sweet and eaten whole, while the pulp is tart. The name itself comes from the Cantonese kamkwat, meaning "golden orange".
  2. A Playful Insult Due to its unusual name, the word has been occasionally used as a lighthearted insult, such as having the "IQ of a kumquat". The Urban Dictionary even defines a kumquat as "a young individual who goes through life constantly disappointing people with his/her infinite failures".
  3. Cultural Symbolism In Chinese culture, kumquat trees are popular gifts during the Lunar New Year because they symbolize wealth and good luck. 


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#29 •••
@SergeantLynch


She doesn't get it.

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#30 •••
@Debby
Why does he think it is silly to talk about God?


He is a Godless atheist who thinks he just popped in existence and will probably soon pop out because he is old. He doesnt know God, he doesnt care for God, he doesnt pray to God, and God likely doesnt care for him. God prefers the young, the hot... not some old man. God prefers the rising Sun, the young hot lion of God, not decayed old man who is way past his prime and too old for anything good.

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