Hey guys I was just wondering If every memory, belief, personality trait, and experience that makes you "you" could be perfectly copied into another person, which one is actually you, and why?
Hey guys I was just wondering If every memory, belief, personality trait, and experience that makes you "you" could be perfectly copied into another person, which one is actually you, and why?
Its possible that that's simply not possible, that its inherently impossible. And this is an exercise in futility in thinking.
But, still, I admit, a fun hypothetical
What if it was all downloaded onto a device...I'm guessing that this will one day be a reality.
Do you think that this would be okay, if the device was a humanoid robot with a functioning penis.
If it was just a inanimate device sat on a shelf, would this be torment.
Resurrection or hell.
Would work as a sex robot be liberation for the humanoid you think? It would no longer sit on a shelf.
I ask because you specified functioning penis
Sovereign wrote:
Hey guys I was just wondering If every memory, belief, personality trait, and experience that makes you "you" could be perfectly copied into another person, which one is actually you, and why?
No, because each person's soul is unique to them and cannot be perfectly replicated.
"Soul" is a metaphysical concept...#5
Though, the human unit is driven by two basic needs...Survival and procreation. so my thought was that if consciousness and all innate data could be downloaded to a device, would sustained self control, typical animation and the ability to simulate copulation be all that is required by a roboskipper.
Whereas, just being a computer programme at the mercy of a controller with no means of self expression...I'm thinking that this would be torment.
Hmmmm...Sex robot work was your fantasy Skip.
SatanLucy wrote:
Would work as a sex robot be liberation for the humanoid you think?
They should hurry up with making sex robots. Humanity needs them. We can no longer put up with having to chase fussy women.
It's okay, I don't need one
It's okay, I don't need one
What...A sex robot or a fussy woman.
The original.
Continuity,
And as SatanLucy says, space occupied.
"Don't put it in your pocket, Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter... Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is."
-Anton Chigurh
SergeantLynch wrote:
It's okay, I don't need one
What...A sex robot or a fussy woman.
Ah 😅 I'll take one Woman™ please 2-day shipping, gift wrapped
SatanLucy wrote:
They should hurry up with making sex robots. Humanity needs them. We can no longer put up with having to chase fussy women.
...and thats how humanity went extinct. Men preferred sex with mindless robots over the opposite sex with icky thoughts of their own.
Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way. - Christopher Hitchens
You might be referring to this movie starred by Arnold Schwarznegger, the sixth day, where you can make a clon copying not just the body but also the memories.
Technically it's possible but we don't know if the clon is going to be like us because we don't have idea what makes us unique.
I believe what makes us unique is the soul and this soul survives the death of the body. Also, it's very likely that this soul reincarnates in other bodies, turning it into a sort of artificial intelligence that learns through several lives, experiencing different things with different bodies. So, you can't reduce us as mere pieces of flesh that have memories. The reality can be more complex than we think.
No one would care if humanity went extinct.
No one tell the humans...
Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way. - Christopher Hitchens
Hmmmm...Soul is most likely just a hopeful thought construct.
Though in terms of recycling perhaps it would be better to either slowly decay or be consumed by scavengers, rather than be rapidly cremated...As human DNA can survive for at least 500 years...Millions of years if frozen...Which does give rise to comet theory.
Reincarnation is therefore also feasible, if/when cloning and techno mind transfer become established procedures...Which I'm guessing is something that humans will strive to achieve.
I don't think your memories, personality traits, etc. are what make you you. There are a few reasons.
First, I just take it as a given that we maintain personal identity through change--both physical and mental. This isn't something I can prove. It's just something I take as a given because I'm a common sense realist. Every day we acquire new memories and forget old ones, but we're still the same person. You go from being awake to being asleep to being awake again and never cease being the same person. You can be in a good mood one day and a bad mood the next day and still be the same person. You can have a change in personality due to alcohol or bad life experiences and still be the same person.
So I think there's more to what you are than your mental states. Your mental states are had by you but they are not the same thing as you.
Second, if it's possible to create a human body/brain and implant somebody else's memories and personality in it, then it's just as possible to implant false memories and personality. You could put information in an another person's head about events that never actually happened. Obviously if a person's memories are of a past that never actually happened, then the person who has those memories cannot be the same person as the person who actually experienced that past. That past didn't exist, after all, so neither did the person.
With that being the case, suppose you did the exact same thing--implanted memories into a human you just brought into existence--except this time the events in the memories actually happened. It would still be the case that the events did not happen to THIS person you have just created. It's no different than if the memories had been false. In both cases a person has memories of a past that didn't actually happen to them. It doesn't seem to make a difference whether the events took place or not. If memories are implanted in a person who just came into existence, then that person cannot be the same person the events of those memories happened to.
Third, if it's possible to copy one person's mental states into another person and have that new person be the same person, then it would be possible for one person to be in two different places at the same time. It would have to be possible for two people to be the same person.
But that is clearly not possible. According to the indiscernibility of identicals, if A and B are the same thing, then whatever is true of A is also true of B and vice versa. Also, if there's anything true of A that is not true of B or vice versa, then A and B are not the same thing.
So suppose there's a guy name Jim. Let's call him Jim1 because he's the original. Then you create a duplicate we'll call Jim2, and we'll implant all of Jim1's memories and personality traits into Jim2. From the moment Jim2 comes into being, they will begin to have diverse experiences. Not everything that happens to one will happen to the other, so their memories will begin to diverge. Since there will immediately be things true of one that are not true of the other, it's impossible for Jim1 and Jim2 to be the same person. Jim1 will have no first person access to Jim2's experiences, and Jim2 will have no first person access to Jim1's experiences, so it is impossible for them to be the same person.
So it's impossible for Jim2 to be the same person as Jim1 even if Jim2 was implanted with all of Jim1's memories and personality.
At least that's how I see it.
Human cloning is not yet possible or legal.