Penalty for rape

A man that rapes a woman deserves the same penalty that Lindsay Clancy will get for murdering her kids (I don't know the penalty she got yet).

I dont really see what Lindsey Clancy has to do with rape penalty. If your mother or sister was the victim, would you have an opinion then?

No opinion on the penalty for rape then?

Punishment for rape should be same as punishment for abortion.

There should be a punishment for aborting an ectopic pregnancy, you say?

Sounds like an uninformed opinion to me....

Rape is a lesser crime than murder or abortion.

On paper, rape and murder are pretty much universally a crime. (Not so much for abortion)

Both murder and rape steal a life; the difference is only in who survives to mourn it.

There should be a punishment for aborting an ectopic pregnancy, you say?

Eh, that's kind of jumping to a rare exception to avoid addressing the broader point. If someone says "rapists should get life in prison" and I respond "so you're saying an 18 yr old should get life in prison for sleeping with a 17 yr old bc they're a statutory rapist?" that's not really addressing their actual point.

A man that rapes a woman deserves the same penalty that Lindsay Clancy will get for murdering her kids (I don't know the penalty she got yet).

So if one criminal gets released without a punishment, we should release a bunch of other criminals without a punishment? I think this makes about as much sense as saying that if an innocent person gets unfairly executed, we should execute all innocent people to make it fair.

Eh, that's kind of jumping to a rare exception to avoid addressing the broader point.

What is the broader point?

Regardless, it was carelessly worded as abortion is only illegal where a particular ideology holds sway. Even then, there are typically exceptions. Murder and rape are pretty much universally illegal.

It could be he is arguing there should be no penalty for rape. Yikes. I was hoping he would clarify.

Rape is harder to prove than murder but it is a punishable crime.

What is the broader point?

I'm pretty sure he's saying abortion should be illegal in the majority of cases. Talking about ectopic pregnancies seems like it's getting caught up on semantics when the vast majority of people advocating against abortion would want exceptions for them. Fine to clarify whether SatanLucy is an absolutist, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that they support zero exceptions.

Regardless, it was carelessly worded as abortion is only illegal where a particular ideology holds sway.

Agree with this and made a similar point to Remy above. "If this thing is allowed we should make all sorts of bad things allowed" seems like a bad idea.

...vast majority of people advocating against abortion would want exceptions for them

And this is exactly why 'rape should have the same penalty as abortion' is ambiguous. I want to hear his explanation. What is he advocating?

Gelding is definitely the best punishment imo.

Nope, but I appreciate the strawman.

Okay, what is the punishment for having an abortion? Let's say an abortion after 6 weeks in a state with a 'heartbeat' bill. What's the punishment you want applied to rape?

Legally, it should be same as for rape.

There is no punishment for having an abortion.

Punishment for rape should be same as punishment for abortion.

Given there is no penalty for abortion, this argues rape should have no penalty. I really hope that's not what you meant.

editing my words when you reply to them.

Everyone can clearly see what I quoted came from you. That being said, I am happy you didn't mean what you said and that my alarm was unwarranted.

Selective moralists all.

It was okay to kill Koreans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis, Iranians, Venezuelans, Cubans, Colombians...Who have I forgot and who is next...Hmmmmm, not Russians, too scary.

So why is execution not murder...Which is to say, the deliberate premeditated killing of another person.

Yes selective morality indeed...And to "be fine" is to be complicit

And the enforced achievement of sexual gratification gave us Jesus, though selective moralists will spin another yarn.

Yes, humans dish up one big contradiction after another...Such is what it is to be human.

I clarified my position bunch of times

Not really. Even your clarifications don't rule out the problematic interpretation of your original statement [Post #5] Case in point:

"Same as legal punishment for murder/abortion."

The issue is that your 'clarifications' rely on a false equivalence. Everyone reading this knows that the legal system treats murder and abortion entirely differently. By conflating the two, you leave the door open for the interpretation that you support zero penalties for rape. If that is not your position, then ambiguity is doing you no favors.

Negative - there is no moral endorsement.

Abortion should be legal. It was legal for decades and people were happy.