what will happen to palestine

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#1 •••

The Bible already tells us what shall happen to the land of palestine, or philistia as it was called.


Obadiah 1:9

Zechariah 9:7


It shall belong to Judah and a governor shall be set over it.

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#2 •••
@melcharaz

It is my duty to donate 20$ a month to Palestine. I also pray to Satan that Palestinians dont suffer anymore. But in the end, it will be Satan's will which decides.

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#3 •••
@melcharaz, @SatanLucy

Palestine.


Just another somewhat mad Middle Eastern separatist organisation that enjoys fighting with their regional tribal brethren.



All derived from the "Cradle of Civilisation".


Civilisation.


Don't make me fuc*ing laugh.


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No, stop it.


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That's enough now.


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#4 •••

Even Qur'an says its the land of Childre of Israel (Jews). Muslims rarely know the Qur'an properly.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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#6 •••
@RemyBrown

Please seek mental help. You are insane and a danger to society.


Id ban you for saying that. Its an illegal post in most of the world.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#7 •••
@RemyBrown

America has underestimated its enemies in all the wars it taught. Eg, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.

The American military has completed its withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq after nearly 20 years of conflict in the region. In Afghanistan, the U.S. military left in August 2021 following a peace agreement with the Taliban, which led to the Taliban's rapid return to power and the collapse of the Afghan government. In Iraq, the U.S. ended its combat mission in December 2021, but a smaller contingent of troops remains in an advisory role. 





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#8 •••
@GreatfulGoy
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#9 •••
@RemyBrown

But America did not win the war.

America has underestimated its enemies in all the wars it taught. Eg, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.

The American military has completed its withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq after nearly 20 years of conflict in the region. In Afghanistan, the U.S. military left in August 2021 following a peace agreement with the Taliban, which led to the Taliban's rapid return to power and the collapse of the Afghan government. In Iraq, the U.S. ended its combat mission in December 2021, but a smaller contingent of troops remains in an advisory role. 



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@Debby
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#11 •••

This thread is a joke, but it's not funny at all.


Why doesn't the OP open this kind of thread in the Religion forum? There, people can drop all the delusion they want.

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#12 •••

Nonetheless, the Qur'an written sometime in the 6th century AD/CE, is not a definitive judgement.


Palestinians and Jews are essentially the same regional semi-desert dwellers who decide to separate as tribes sometime in the dim distant past of the North Western bit of the Arabian peninsula.


Strip them naked and give them a good wash and a haircut and you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.


It's only when they open their mouths and start arguing the toss over nonsense, that one would be able to confidently stick a label on their foreheads.



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#13 •••
@GreatfulGoy
Even Qur'an says its the land of Childre of Israel (Jews). Muslims rarely know the Qur'an properly.


Why would Muslims know anything about the Qur'an?


Fortunately, you can explain it to them.

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#14 •••

Angel: God, why did you create stupid people?


God: I didn't, my poor design did. But fortunately they will kill each other.

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#15 •••
@Sidewalker

LOL

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#16 •••
@Misterio

Get them to fix the report button so you can report it as spam or off topic then.

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#17 •••

Not sure how this could happen.


There's five and a half million Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank, and that number will probably double in a couple of decades. Those people aren't going anywhere. If Israel waited a hundred years it'd find that all those people were still there. Repeatedly dropping bombs on them won't make them go away. They'll still be there in the aftermath of whatever Israel does. You can't convince millions of people who've been taught from childhood that Israel/Palestine is their ancestral homeland and that they're just one successful intifada away from taking it back to move abroad, and even if you could the other Arab countries won't take them because they'll cause problems in those countries (see Black September, 1970).


If Israel tries to rule them as colonial subjects, they will forever resist. There is no amount of time large enough to convince a whole population to accept eternal disenfranchisement and second class citizen status. Every generation will renew the rebellion conceivably to the end of time.

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#18 •••
@melcharaz
Get them to fix the report button so you can report it as spam or off topic then.


I see you like being banned for some reason, as in DART.


I'm not used to report users. So, be happy.

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#19 •••
@bubbatheclown

The primary solution being pursued for Gaza is a 

multi-phase peace plan, mediated by the US, Qatar, Turkey, and Egypt, that involves an immediate ceasefire, hostage release, massive humanitarian aid, the demilitarization of Hamas, and the eventual governance of Gaza by a technocratic Palestinian body, leading to a potential two-state solution. 

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#20 •••
@Debby

That "demilitarization of Hamas" is doing a whole lot of heavy lifting. They're extremists willing to die as martyrs for their cause. Why would they agree to that?


And even if Hamas did, why wouldn't another group take their place?

Gazans identify as Palestinians; accordingly, they'll treat Israeli settlements in the West Bank as an ongoing attack on their own people. I don't believe there's such thing as a party or coalition in the Israeli government with the necessary political capital to evict 700,000+ settlers from their homes and force them to restart their lives completely from scratch inside Israel proper (good luck selling your property to Israeli buyers in a place where Jews aren't allowed to live, and Palestinians are too poor to pay anything close to the full value, assuming the PA didn't just confiscate the house), but if the settlements continue to exist, then the provocation will continuously serve to radicalize Gazans. That'll still be true 20, 30, 40, or 50 years from now.

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#21 •••
@bubbatheclown

The statement that "unlike the Jews the palestinians never left their land" refers to a complex and highly contested aspect of the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

. Both Jewish and Palestinian narratives are central to the competing claims over the land, and both groups have experienced significant periods of displacement and continuous presence. 

Jewish Historical Presence and Diaspora

Jewish people have an ancient and continuous connection to the land, which they consider their historical and spiritual homeland, "Eretz Israel". 

  1. Ancient Presence: Jewish kingdoms and communities existed in the region for millennia. Archaeological evidence, such as ancient graves and the Dead Sea Scrolls, confirms a continuous Jewish presence.
  2. Displacement: While a significant Jewish diaspora (dispersion) occurred after Roman conquests and the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE, as well as after the Bar Kochba revolt in 135 CE, a small but continuous Jewish population remained in the land.
  3. Return: Modern Zionism, starting in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, involved the return of Jews from the diaspora to establish a national home, often through purchasing land, motivated by both religious and political reasons, particularly in response to persecution in Europe. 

Palestinian Historical Presence and Displacement

Palestinians trace their ancestry to the Arab and non-Jewish communities who resided in the region for centuries, including those who were descendants of ancient Levantine populations like the Canaanites and Judeans. 

  1. Continuous Residence: Palestinian Arabs constituted the majority of the population in the area during the Ottoman and British Mandate periods, prior to significant Jewish immigration in the 20th century. They generally did not leave the land en masse until events related to the establishment of the State of Israel.
  2. The Nakba (Catastrophe): The 1948 Arab-Israeli War resulted in the mass displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians, who became refugees, a process they call the Nakba. This event created a large Palestinian diaspora, as many were expelled or fled and were subsequently prevented from returning to their homes. 

Summary of Perspectives

  1. Jewish perspective: Emphasizes an ancient, continuous connection to the land and the return from a forced diaspora.
  2. Palestinian perspective: Emphasizes continuous residence for centuries and the more recent, forced displacement (Nakba) that created their current diaspora. 

The issue is not a simple binary of one group never leaving and the other entirely leaving, but rather two complex histories involving long-standing ties and significant, often forced, migrations that continue to fuel the present conflict. 


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