I dont think US voters will ever learn, because they keep falling for distractions.

to successfully see the situation as it is, one needs a bit of imagination.

One needs to imagine trump doesnt exist, and then observe democrat leaders as they are: corrupt, sellouts, thristy for money and power...

No comparisons, no excuses, no "but trump worse"... just see politicians for what they are: they are people who farm voters for money, fame and power.

And as long as some bot can say "but trump", politicians can keep doing what they are doing, and average voter, despite falling for same scam each time, never learns, because each time a different distraction is used.

Sure, just like Iraq was created to distract people from the massive power grab with the Patriot Act and other things.

Both parties do this shit.

Trump is the distractor in chief. He is taking the tariff war to war with Iran.

Yeah, USA did have among worst inflation rates in the world during Biden. While political bots want to instruct AI to argue for their side, and as a result, lead AI to wrong conclusion, I simply ask AI if something is true or not.

What I asked ChatGPT which lead to that eventual result was:

Q1: What was US inflation by month in 2023?

Q2: What about 2024?

Q3: How about from July on?

Q4: how does that compare to other nations?

That’s literally it, word for word. Nothing about that string of questions asks for a particular result or even hints as to what answer I wanted.

Your question however, asked AI to compare US inflation to world averages, which if you were to ask anyone who knows anything about economics understands is a stupid question because many economies around the world are not comparable to the US. You know who else knows this? ChatGPT, which is why, without me asking or hinting, automatically compared US inflation to “peer nations”.

So the projection here is staggering. I am the one here aware of the fact that AI will feed me whatever I want and adapt my questions appropriately to remove bias. You are the one who doesn’t seem to recognize the boundaries of your own ignorance and without even knowing it are plugging your conclusions into AI to spit back the answer you’re looking for.

You are the very bot you accuse me of being.

So what did ChatGPT say about US inflation?

It’s in post 83. Since SL decided to pretend I was leading it to the conclusion I wanted, that’s why I provided the full quotation list above

Your question however, asked AI to compare US inflation to world averages

Yes, to see if USA was worse than world average.

many economies around the world are not comparable to the US.

I dont think you know what word "comparable" means, because everything is comparable when some standard is set. But I even showed examples of developed nations who performed much better than USA.

Now, your original claim was that rest of the world had same inflation, which I disproved, and then you said its wrong to compare USA to rest of the world.

So not only that you are contradicting yourself, but you cant even explain what are you comparing USA to.

And then again, after you said its wrong to compare USA to the rest of the world, AGAIN you say this: "how does that compare to other nations?"

So in one claim, you say USA cant be compared to other nations, and then in same comment, you place two claims which really dont belong together: "how does that compare to other nations?" "many economies around the world are not comparable to the US".

So in one case, you want to compare USA to other nations, and in other case, you claim many nations arent "comparable", which is both a contradiction and a lie.

So because now you claim USA cant be compared to other nations, you lose your original argument that rest of the world had same inflation.

Well, you made a full circle from making a claim to denying it. I just wonder what was the point in all this.

Maybe I am missing something. Do these claims when placed together make any sense to you?

"The only “proof” you need that Biden didn’t cause inflation is the fact that it was a global phenomenon" (saying inflation was globally same as in USA)

"many economies around the world are not comparable to the US" (dodging after challenged on his "global inflation claim)

"how does US inflation compare to other nations?" (asking chatgpt to compare to other nations after saying many nations arent comparable to US)

"you have to believe that either Biden caused global inflation (an extraordinary claim), or that it was just a coincidence that nearly every developed nation in the world was going through their own generational levels of inflation at the same time we were (another extraordinary claim)."

Here he moved from "global inflation" to "inflation in developed nations", which was disproved as well, because I showed him data of many developed nations performing much better than USA.

Do his words make any sense? I am trying to make sense of them, but there doesnt seem to be any sense or reasoning, just seeking excuses not to blame Biden for inflation which started under Biden, which was far lower under trump during the very same pandemic.

Maybe I should ask chatgpt in an open and honest way, so I can get the clear answer.

Here are the annual average CPI inflation rates for the G7 countries in 2023 (OECD data).

G7 inflation rates – 2023

G7 average (approx.) → ~4–5% range in 2023. (OECD)

Key takeaways

1. UK had the highest inflation among the G7 in 2023.
2. Japan had the lowest, though it was high by its historical standards.
3. All G7 countries saw lower inflation than in 2022, but it was still above central-bank targets in most cases. (OECD)

Context

1. Energy prices falling from the 2022 spike helped bring inflation down in 2023.
2. Core inflation (services, wages, housing) stayed relatively sticky, keeping overall inflation elevated. (OECD)

✅ If you want, I can:

1. show 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 comparison
2. give a chart/visual ranking
3. add EU vs G7 vs global for context.

Here are the annual average inflation rates for the G7 countries in 2022 (consumer price inflation, %). These are the commonly cited OECD/IMF-style yearly averages.

G7 inflation – 2022

G7 average: ≈ 7–8% (depending on weighting). (Econovis)

Key takeaways

1. UK had the highest inflation in the G7 in 2022. (euronews)
2. Japan was the clear outlier with very low inflation (long-standing low-inflation environment). (BM.ge)
3. Most others clustered around ~7–9%, the highest in ~40 years for advanced economies. (Econovis)

Why 2022 was so high

Main drivers:

1. Energy shock after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
2. Food price surge
3. Post-COVID demand rebound
4. Supply chain problems (Econovis)

✅ If you want, I can:

1. Rank them from lowest → highest
2. Show 2021 vs 2022 vs 2023 to see the spike
3. Compare G7 to EU or your region (Balkans) for 2022.

Here are the average annual CPI inflation rates for the G7 in 2024 (latest full-year figures from OECD/IMF/official statistical releases).

G7 inflation rates (2024)

G7 average: ≈ 2.5% (IMF)

Key takeaways

1. Inflation fell sharply from the 2022–2023 peak across all G7 economies. (PIIE)
2. UK had the highest average inflation in the G7 in 2024. (Reuters)
3. Italy had by far the lowest (around ~1%). (OECD)
4. By late 2024, most G7 countries were close to central-bank targets (~2%). (OECD)

Quick ranking (highest → lowest)

1. United States
2. Japan / United Kingdom (very close)
3. Canada
4. Germany
5. France
6. Italy

✅ If you want, I can:

1. show a chart
2. compare 2022 → 2023 → 2024 trend
3. add 2025 estimates
4. adjust to year-end (Dec-to-Dec) instead of annual average (numbers change slightly).

From this data, we actually see that even when we cherry pick G7 nations specifically, US was actually worse than most of them in all years, 2022, 2023, 2024.

Oops, looks like chatgpt disproved your political party again.

Now, here I am playing to the specific group of nations which you seem to only want to play with, even tho this group doesnt include actual big groups like EU and China.

Can you explain why, in 2022, 3 nations of G7 had less inflation than USA?

Can you explain why, in 2023, 4 nations of G7 had less inflation than USA?

Can you explain why, in 2024, 5 nations of G7 had less inflation than USA?

this is data from chatgpt, which can be wrong, but we can see that by this data, USA gets worse under Biden. It started with 3 nations outperforming USA in G7, and in 2024, 5 nations outperforming USA in G7.

And in 2021, USA under Biden was WORSt by far.

Here are the annual average CPI inflation rates for the G7 in 2021 (the first year inflation started to surge after the pandemic shock).

G7 inflation – 2021

1. United States: 4.7%
2. Canada: 3.4%
3. United Kingdom: 2.6%
4. Germany: 3.2%
5. France: 2.1%
6. Italy: 1.9%
7. Japan: -0.2% (slight deflation)

G7 average: about 3.5% (global-benefits-vision.com)

Key takeaways

1. The U.S. had the highest inflation in the G7 in 2021.
2. Japan was the outlier, still experiencing deflation/near-zero inflation.
3. Europe (Germany, France, Italy) remained relatively moderate compared with North America.
4. 2021 was a transition year — inflation was rising but far below the 2022 peaks.

Why inflation rose in 2021

Main common drivers across the G7:

1. Post-COVID reopening demand
2. Supply-chain bottlenecks
3. Energy price rebound
4. Fiscal and monetary stimulus

✅ If you want, I can:

1. Put this into a ranked table,
2. Compare with 2020 and 2022 (to show the surge),
3. Or adjust to end-of-year (Dec-to-Dec) instead of annual average, which gives slightly different numbers.

And when we compare USA to actually big country groups and economies like EU and China:

Sure! We can sum the annual inflation rates for each region over 2021–2024. I’ll add them digit by digit for accuracy.

1️⃣ United States

Total sum:

7.0 + 8.0 = 15.0

15.0 + 4.1 = 19.1

19.1 + 2.9 = 22.0 %

2️⃣ China

Total sum:

1.0 + 2.0 = 3.0

3.0 + 0.3 = 3.3

3.3 + 0.2 = 3.5 %

3️⃣ European Union

Total sum:

2.9 + 9.2 = 12.1

12.1 + 6.4 = 18.5

18.5 + 2.6 = 21.1 %

✅ Summary of Total Inflation 2021–2024

1. USA: 22.0 %
2. China: 3.5 %
3. EU: 21.1 %

If you want, I can also calculate the average annual inflation for each region over these four years—it gives a clearer sense of long-term trends. Do you want me to do that?

"Global phenomenon" only applies to the "advanced countries" that went deep into inflating the money supply with cash infusions after locking down producers. The word "phenomenon" alone screams a made-up excuse for very bad policies. What is so striking about the invocation of the phrase “global phenomenon” is not its explanatory power but its evasiveness. It is the sort of soothing abstraction beloved by modern political classes, broad enough to imply inevitability, yet vague enough to dissolve accountability. Yes, inflation appeared across much of the developed world. But one must ask: what did those countries share? Not geography. Not culture. Not identical industrial structures. What they shared was an extraordinary expansion of the money supply, coupled with the enforced suppression of productive capacity. To lock down producers, throttle supply, and then flood households with newly created money is not an act of economic magic, it is a real policy choice with objective, predictable consequences. It actually was neither global nor a phenomenon. I described 2 things Biden flubbed on. Those are very real things. Not a phenomenon, global or otherwise.

I am just wondering where he gets his excuses from. Because if US is only comparable to largest economies like Japan, Germany, China, India, France, UK, Russia, Canada, Italy.... most of these outperformed USA by inflation.

He is saying that Biden did a good job despite USA in 2021 being among worst nations by far, and in 2024, also worst among developed nations.

US inflation rate now is 2.4%, very close to other biggest economies, and inflation keeps decreasing.

In 2021, under Biden, inflation in USA was more than double than in other biggest economies.

So I really dont understand what is his excuse. When you compare USA to Japan, in Biden's first year, and trump's first year, you can see USA is much worse in Biden's first year. Same goes for Biden's last year and trump's last year.

I am supposed to praise Biden for having worse inflation in 2021 than almost any other country in the world, and call that success, while blaming trump who during his rule, never had high inflation, first term or second term?

I am just trying to figure out logic of these bots, and we all know Kamala would throw herself at more war with Russia and drain US further. trump actually reduced government spending in many areas, so to claim trump is worse economically is something only a party bot can do.

I am actually still wondering if I am wrong on this issue, and would economy be slightly better or same under Kamala. I admit that I could be wrong on this issue, but I dont have a bias because I dont support Kamala or trump now.

I am just asking him what is his excuse for year 2021, when inflation didnt happen almost anywhere except in USA, not even in other developed nations.

I know he tried to blame it on trump, but we know for sure trump never had high inflation during his first 4 years, and even now he reduced inflation while maintaining wage growth.

the specific year, 2021, is very important, because, I repeat, he keeps saying inflation was global, which for year 2021 isnt true at all.

If we look at wage growth, Biden was the one to leave real wages much lower.

I dont understand how trump gets to be blamed for something which happened when Biden was in power already for 6 months, and trump left long time ago.

I am actually still wondering if I am wrong on this issue, and would economy be slightly better or same under Kamala. I admit that I could be wrong on this issue, but I dont have a bias because I dont support Kamala or trump now.

I supported Kamala right up to the point that she claimed she wouldn't do a thing differently, and never corrected that statement.

I dont understand how trump gets to be blamed for something which happened when Biden was in power already for 6 months, and trump left long time ago.

If one wishes to speak seriously about contribution rather than blame, then the question becomes narrower and more precise: what, specifically, was added in early 2021 that altered the trajectory already underway?

By the time President Biden took office, the United States had already engaged in extraordinary fiscal and monetary expansion in response to the pandemic. That is simply factual. However, in March 2021, the American Rescue Plan introduced an additional $1.9 trillion in stimulus at a moment when the economy was reopening, vaccines were being distributed, inflation seemed worrying but manageable, and household balance sheets were already unusually strong. The concern raised by many economists at the time was not that stimulus was inherently improper, but that its scale was disproportionate to the remaining output gap.

In effect, substantial new demand with fresh dollars was layered atop an economy still constrained in its productive capacity. Supply chains had not normalized. Energy markets were volatile. Labour participation had not fully recovered. Injecting further liquidity and stimulus under those conditions needlessly risked intensifying price pressures and inflation.

To say this is not to suggest that inflation began in March 2021, nor that prior policy was irrelevant. It is to note that the American Rescue Plan represented a significant additional demand impulse at a delicate moment in a US economy with supply issues. One may debate necessity; one cannot reasonably deny scale. Thus, a blanket pardon on Biden's policies would be wholly unwarranted, and blaming Biden's 2021 policies on a former President made citizen would be considered insane by normal people.

True Kamala should have showed her independence from the start of her campaign.

Now, your original claim was that rest of the world had same inflation, which I disproved, and then you said its wrong to compare USA to rest of the world.

OMG. No. No. No.

My original claim is that your claim - that the economy now is better than it would have been under Kamala - flies in the face of all available facts and reason.

It is your logical support for that claim that I am arguing against, which can be summarized as follows:

P1: Kamala would have been the same as Biden

P2: Biden had high inflation

C: Kamala would have had high inflation

This argument is total nonsense for all the reasons I explained, which I’ll explain again.

Inflation was not ***primarily*** caused by Joe Biden. Inflation was a global phenomenon that resulted from global circumstances that Joe Biden did not create. Therefore there is no reason whatsoever to believe that what you are characterizing as a second Biden term, would have had the same result.

You tried to refute my assertion that inflation was global by showing world averages or examples of nations that didn’t experience inflation.Global doesn’t mean every nation on earth experienced the same thing. It means the circumstances were not isolated to a single country or single cluster of countries that are tied together (Google the prefix “pan”). The root cause of inflation was covid, which was experienced everywhere on earth, but different countries experienced different results because they have different economies. So you can’t compare them all to each other. That’s economics 101.

You say that I’m arguing Biden did a great job on inflation. No, I never did that. Pay attention. What I argued explicitly is that the US under Biden during this period of global instability was not uniquely bad. Your own AI generated statistics, problematic as they are, said the exact same thing. You’re trying to turn this into a contest of who came out on top vs the bottom while no serious economist would look at it that way. What matters is not ranking, it’s comparability. It doesn’t matter if the US was at 22.0 while the EU was 21.1. Both numbers are extremely and uniquely bad to which there is no meaningful difference between them. That’s what matters, especially within the context of this conversation.

Moreover, while you cherry pick every reason you can find to claim the US was worse on inflation than everyone else, like fixating on 2021, you are totally ignoring the factors at play which could explain it. The US under Biden (with thanks to Trump’s operation warp speed) was ahead of the world when it came to getting its population vaccinated, which resulted in a faster recovery in getting back to business. It is that shift which triggered the start of inflation because that is where the supply chains disruptions came into play. So when you look at the totality of the situation we were facing, high inflation early on wasn’t necessarily a bad thing because it signaled that we were handling the immediate recovery better than mostly everyone else. You seem to not realize this, but inflation is not the only thing that matters in grading economies. I would argue that getting Americans off their couches and back into the workforce was a higher priority.

So, pop quiz:

Was high inflation a problem unique to the US that could be explained mostly or entirely by Joe Biden’s policies?

Did I ever argue that Joe Biden did a great job on inflation?

Did I ever argue that high inflation occurred everywhere on earth?

If you answered yes to any of those, start back and the top and read again as many times as you need to.

Inflation was a global phenomenon

No, in 2021, it wasnt. And US levels of inflation werent present in most countries or in most advanced countries.

You seem to not realize this, but inflation is not the only thing that matters in grading economies

Of course, but because real wages decreased under Biden in 2021, I dont see how including other parts of economic calculation helps your case. It seems to only help my case, because economy is about wealth of citizens which reduced under Biden.

The US under Biden (with thanks to Trump’s operation warp speed) was ahead of the world when it came to getting its population vaccinated, which resulted in a faster recovery in getting back to business. It is that shift which triggered the start of inflation

Getting back to business causes 5 times higher inflation? Where did you get this calculation from? And then logically, US should have recovered from inflation first, but it didnt.

Just when I thought he was going to stop blaming trump for what Biden did...

Just when I thought he was going to say "Yes, Biden didnt do a good job in 2021".

It is your logical support for that claim that I am arguing against, which can be summarized as follows:

P1: Kamala would have been the same as Biden

P2: Biden had high inflation

C: Kamala would have had high inflation

Actually, my argument is slightly different. I merely believed Kamala's words.

P1. Kamala said she cant think of a thing she would do differently

P2. We needed economy better than what Biden had

P3. trump's first term saw better economy than under Biden

P4. If Kamala cant think of a better way to run a country than Biden did, then Kamala would run same or worse than Biden

C. trump's first term is better than Biden's term, and by extension, better than Kamala's possible term because Kamala cant think of anything better than Biden did

P1 and P2 are just political truisms. P3 is objectively true. P4 is logically true. And conclusion logically follows.

And this is before we even begin comparing trump's second term, which saw a rise in real wages, compared to Biden who lowered real wages and actually for 4 years of his rule, made Americans poorer.

So yeah, when someone says "I made Americans poorer", and the other person says "I will keep doing same", you probably can already figure out where vote will go.

The sign of a political bot is to admit no flaw.

The sign of a political bot is to admit no flaw.

thats also the main reason trump won. Its people like this, pretending everything is perfect, not seeing their own party's flaws and then as a result also not fixing flaws.

Population wants someone who fixes things, not someone who seeks excuses for not fixing things. I have said this before, admitting flaws is first step towards fixing them.

Mamdani won his election because he promised fixes, even if the fixes ultimately mean property taxes that the working poor will have to pay through increased rents.

At least he promised something.

You know what else Mamdani does that no one else does? He talks to President Trump in private and meets with him.

the best proof you need that people didnt approve of Biden and Kamala duo is the fact that trump is now president again.

And yeah, making promises is more important than fulfilling them. People fall for promises and shiny things.

What if Trump gets impeached for the third time. Thats a promise kept.

I dont support trump, I dont even think he should be in power. But the problem is, I dont want democrats to replace him either, and he was good for economy, even made me richer by somehow increasing price of gold and silver. I dont know how he does it, but he somehow increased gold and silver price worldwide. I dont know if its because of tariffs or whatever, but good job. I dont approve of many of trump's actions, his actions against migrants and Palestine are the worst. But he did improve economy even in my country for me. So I cant say he is all bad. In fact, if gold and silver price keep rising under trump as they do now for 3 more years, I might be a millionaire sooner than expected.

The most gold and silver will increase is they might double in value. So to be a millionaire you must hold at least 500k in gold and silver.

I dont know how he does it, but he somehow increased gold and silver price worldwide. I dont know if its because of tariffs or whatever, but good job.

China tightened the market on gold and silver in retaliation.

China tightened the market on gold and silver in retaliation.

Yeah, I was honestly thinking my investment in gold wont pay off for at least a decade. Now I think it already payed off, tho I hold for long term value.

The most gold and silver will increase is they might double in value. So to be a millionaire you must hold at least 500k in gold and silver.

Gold and silver already more than doubled in value in past 2 years. So if gold or silver keeps doubling every year, You realistically only need 1000$ in gold, and after 20 years, you are more than a millionaire. So yeah, if gold keeps doubling each year, 1000$ becomes 8000$ after 3 years, 32000$ after 5 years.