@FLRW
and that there shouldn’t be any shame over seeking it out.
I will shame them and laugh at them. as sex robots become common this will bring about an established genre of humour just for those folks and their shapely "body pillows"
and that there shouldn’t be any shame over seeking it out.
I will shame them and laugh at them. as sex robots become common this will bring about an established genre of humour just for those folks and their shapely "body pillows"
Fuck, I wish I had those sex robots. I was born in a completely wrong timeline, early enough to know about sex robots, but still not progressed enough to have them.
Hang in there, incel! .👌
Hang in there, incel
If you don't stop teasing me, I will cry.
what do u mean?
No country gives you complete ownership over your body. You think you can challenge me in debate trolling just because you turned 18 now?
Well, we are always at the mercy of the strongest people if they have the majority of the global power.
Sure but a majority of physical strength isn't the same as a majority of political strength or influence. The richest people aren't all bodybuilders or professional fighters, that's my point. Just because women aren't as physically strong as men doesn't mean it's logical for everyone else to treat them as property.
It's a short term screwing. Roe got repealed, people complained short term but accepted that it's reality. It's how people are.
I agree that Roe was a bad ruling, but with regard to women's rights in general, even if people "accept reality" that doesn't mean they won't be resentful of it. Even repealing Roe is going to lead to some push back. Resentment and lack of trust isn't just represented by how angry people are on social media.
Maybe scrap the concept of gender roles, but teach every kid until 5th or 8th grade and then give them the option to pursue the, "stay at home/kid raising" path or the, "career/breadwinner" path where they learn education based on their 8th grade option.
This seems fair but to some extent impractical. A lot of households now rely on dual incomes, and stay at home parents could easily be at the mercy of an abusive spouse if they can't earn their own money. An 8th grader doesn't necessarily have the maturity to anticipate all that.
An 8th grader doesn't necessarily have the maturity to anticipate all that.
I dont mean to defend whatever point Remy is making, but really, stay at home mothers are the only ones capable of raising enough children. there is a very consistent correlation with women having career and education, and also being bad mothers, and it also creates additional costs for child care, because parents who both work must pay someone else to watch over children, and this creates a lot of abuse.
stay at home mothers are the only ones capable of raising enough children
And what if their husband dies? They'd probably wish they were capable of working. Just cause they're gonna stay at home doesn't mean other skills aren't useful.
And what if their husband dies?
that is rare at start of marriage, but they can marry again or be supported by rest of family on husband's or their side. I am not saying skills arent useful, but the problem is that women getting high education has consistently resulted in worse outcomes for their children. And if you harm future generations to please current generations, the future society becomes worse. Women can get education in different ways, but I just dont see much long term benefit in women spending decades in higher formal education. Because contrary to popular belief, you cant have it all. You cant be at a job, and at college, and be with your kids at same time. Its just not logically possible. Woman working means woman spends 2x less time with her kids, and also gets tired from work and then has even less energy to raise kids. It doesnt even benefit women long term, because each next generation of women gets more detached from their parents in childhood, and then you have mental health issues which have indeed increased, not decreased.
Switching roles where the men look after the children instead of women might be the answer. Men can multitask better it has been proven.
Yeah, but a lot of women cant do a lot of jobs as good. A lot of jobs are dominated by men, not because of any discrimination, but simply because average woman performs somewhat worse. Jobs which require more strength are most obvious example where average woman performs worse. then jobs such as bodyguard, which maybe only a small percentage of women can work.
But thats a smaller issue. Bigger issue is child birth. Going to job and giving birth to kids at same time is very difficult, and this is mainly because women arent always fertile. Women are only fertile for some time each month, and having a job greatly reduces their will to reproduce, reproduction requires somewhat more constant sex. And then child birth, which forces a woman to quit job for some time because you cant be breastfeeding and going to work. And breastfeeding is important too, it should last at least 2 years.
the problem is that women getting high education has consistently resulted in worse outcomes for their children
Women having higher incomes significantly reduced the number of families living in poverty.
Are you saying women are the cause for poverty in society?
No, I said lower incomes are.
Women having higher incomes reduces the number of families living in poverty
Actually, this:
"Women having higher incomes reduces the number of families"
the problem with women working is in 3 parts: One, that it reduces birth rates, and thus number of families. two, that it increases demand for goods, and then likewise the price, so wages suddenly arent as good anymore. third, it creates additional big expenses, because now woman must pay to maintain job, pay for child care, pay for bought food as opposed to cooking...ect.
In the distant past, one wage could sustain a family of 10. today, one wage can barely sustain 2 people. the family of 4 is actually not average anymore, where in past family of 6 was average.
Reducing poverty is good, but poverty didnt significantly reduce. You still have 40 million Americans barely surviving, living on food aid.
And giving women income causes another problem: divorce for stupid reasons.
Plenty of divorces happen because women cheat and go after someone else. Divorces further harm children.
While we cant exactly measure the impacts, suicide rates, birth rates, and mental health issues are worst ever.
According to Obama men missing inaction (MIA) as a parent was the cause for the majority of problems in homes.
Reducing poverty is good, but poverty didnt significantly reduce
Absolute poverty has significantly decreased in the US since women entered the labor market. The standard for poverty keeps rising because living standards are getting better.
The standard for poverty keeps rising because living standards are getting better.
Alright, can you raise 6 children on average wage in USA?
Recent data indicate an average household income of $66,622 in the U.S
Raising a child in the US to age 18 costs
between $237,000 and over $400,000 for a middle-income family, not including college tuition. Recent estimates (2024-2025) suggest an annual cost of roughly $21,000 to $23,000 per year, heavily influenced by inflation, location, and childcare, with costs potentially exceeding $650,000 over 18 years when adjusted for inflation
So mere expense to raise a child deletes more than entire wage when 3 children are raised. And this is when we exclude all expenses parent must spend on themselves.
And giving women education costs money too, so its not that standards are better, its more that now things cost more, and more things have to be payed for.
So mere expense to raise a child deletes more than entire wage when 3 children are raised. And this is when we exclude all expenses parent must spend on themselves.
Which implies money is kind of a big deal? A lot of families rely on two incomes.
giving women education costs money too
A high school education at the minimum pays off a lot more than it costs. College can be a bad investment in some cases, but Remy was saying stop at 8th grade.
A lot of families rely on two incomes.
So today, two incomes cant support family of 6, where in past, one income could.
A high school education at the minimum pays off a lot more than it costs. College can be a bad investment in some cases, but Remy was saying stop at 8th grade.
College can indeed be a bad investment.
But is high school any good? Its only good if you measure in terms of pure short term money, in a sense that high school can give a woman a better paying job sometimes.
But...
high school costs money as well, and uses resources which could be better used elsewhere, but thats not the actual issue. It also costs birth rates, and it again creates a problem that it only actually pays off in terms of money if woman works, but if woman works, her children end up in worse situation.
Because poverty doesnt harm kids as much as parent neglect does. We see that in countries like Japan, despite huge wealth, have worst suicide and birth rates in the world.
So less poverty isnt a good thing if it means people cant even afford to have families anymore or spend time with their kids.
today, two incomes cant support family of 6, where in past, one income could
Because people accepted poorer living standards. Life back then kind of sucked compared to today.
poverty doesnt harm kids as much as parent neglect does
You can have two incomes and not neglect your child. Staying at home wasn't just watching kids, it was cleaning, shopping and a lot of work that has been made more efficient with technology. Also I disagree poverty isn't as big an issue, it has a huge effect on quality of life.
Life back then kind of sucked compared to today.
More people commit suicide and have depression today. Less people are able to have families.
You can have two incomes and not neglect your child
Can you?
Because when you go to work, child must go to kindergarten. Now, you can choose a high quality private kindergarten, which costs 10,000$ a year, or a public one, where there is plenty of abuse.
Once more, if parents are detached from their children, that is a form of neglect, because simply other people cant raise children as good as parents can, in most cases, because other people have less interest.
And why would someone argue for a system where mother doesnt get to fully dedicate to her children?
More people commit suicide and have depression today
Depression/suicide aren't based on a logical evaluation of quality of life. The happiest countries have high suicide rates.
plenty of abuse
Child abuse has decreased long term. Physical punishments were much more widely accepted in the past, and there were fewer protections for kids.
Depression/suicide aren't based on a logical evaluation of quality of life
there is no such thing as "logical evaluation of quality of life". Quality of life is entirely subjective.
Child abuse has decreased long term
We cant really say that, because children have worse suicide rates, worse mental health and worse depression today.
Physical punishments were much more widely accepted in the past
I can agree that physical punishments are bad, but they are not the only bad thing. Bullying in schools and kindergartens is very high. And because parents are at work, kids have less actual protection and advice, causing worse mental health.
Quality of life is entirely subjective.
It can still be evaluated logically, such as estimating whether you can improve it long-term.
We cant really say that, because children have worse suicide rates, worse mental health and worse depression today.
Well it wasn't really measured far in the past, but with high rates of infanticide and physical punishment I'm comfortable saying they had it worse.
they are not the only bad thing. Bullying in schools and kindergartens is very high. And because parents are at work, kids have less actual protection and advice, causing worse mental health.
Bullying is a problem but a more manageable one than back when kids were basically treated as property.
It can still be evaluated logically
Only if you set specific goals to measure. But when we set suicide rates, depression rates, mental health rates, social life rates...ect. everything of those is getting worse over time.
Well it wasn't really measured far in the past, but with high rates of infanticide and physical punishment I'm comfortable saying they had it worse.
We have suicide rates in USA from 1960. We have homicide rates. We have depression rates that go back decades. We have quality of social life which is so obviously degraded that at no point in human history did average person have less social contact and less able to have family.
Bullying is a problem but a more manageable one than back when kids were basically treated as property.
Not more manageable if mother is detached from kids. It is basically just giving kids to someone else and hoping they will do half as good job as mother would in raising it.
You paint a dismal picture of the American family.Trump is not your typical American parent. Don’t throw your vote away again.
Would an 8th grader rather deal with the abuse of a spouse or the abuse of a boss? The choice is theirs. Life is abuse. Pick your poison.
Abuse at work is terrible. Well, work is terrible on its own, but for women, its more difficult because they face sexual abuse at work as well as regular abuse, pressure, censorship, fear of job loss...ect.
Whoever told women they will be happier when working told them the biggest possible lie which only gets obvious when person wastes her life in some factory while her family collapses.