Why is it always republicans telling dems to leave if they dont like the country?

What do you think about the possible disenfranchisement of about 3.1 million people in Virginia due to the recent gerrymandering?

Is that a sacrifice worth to "get Trump?"

I guess when Democrats say "our democracy," they really do mean the "our" part....

I agree with last part, but from what I’ve observed, it’s both parties, not just the Democrats. The two parties are now in open redistricting warfare. Neither will produce a real solution because both love this game being played. The only solution for the voter is to vote for a third party. But not enough will do it, because the masses are cattle. Universal suffrage was a mistake.

but from what I’ve observed, it’s both parties, not just the Democrats. 

I'm just noticing that states didn't do this to "get Obama"

But sure, Texas did recently change a lot of the previous districting.

I could be wrong, though. Either side will care about saving "our democracy" as long as they get to define the word "our."

Universal suffrage was a mistake.

Well, it did make election security incredibly difficult to implement when the focus is on voter accessibility over voter verification.

But you're still not at the foundation. What is the point of having all this representation if they take away your liberties?

The liberties granted in the Bill of Rights are closer to the core of this country than democracy or republicanism.

If the rights in the bill of rights were the foundation of the country, even before the concept of self governance, then they would not have built in a process through the country's founding document to change them.

America wasn’t built on any single right or set of rights, it was built on the idea that the people have the authority to define what rights deserve protection in the first place.

I'm just noticing that states didn't do this to "get Obama"

But sure, Texas did recently change a lot of the previous districting.

The change Texas made is the very thing that started this whole episode. Trump decided that rather than figuring out how to convince the people to vote republican, he would just rewrite how voting works. Everything the democrats are doing is on response not only to that but all of the crap republicans have done to solidify their power (Merrick Garland anyone?).

If you want a very simple test then ask yourself a question... If a national anti-gerrymandering bill was put on the floor for a vote right now, which party would support it and which would shoot it down?

We don't have to speculate. Democrats have tried this already, and they're still working on it. Republicans will not support it. That answers the question.

What's the point of "Democrats support this" if they never actually did anything for the past 100 years?

All talk.

They did do something about it genius, they wrote the bill and put it on the floor for a vote. Every democrat voted for it, every republican voted against it. Turns out democrats don't just get to pass anything they want, some things will require republican support to become law. Shocking.

1937–1939 (FDR era)

1965–1967 (LBJ era)

2009–2010 (Obama era)

All talk.

And specifically, the 2009 fuckup probably sowed the seeds for your present moron-in-chief.

All talk

Putting a bill on the floor and voting for it isn't talk genius.

But I get it, you have a narrative to stick to...

1937–1939 (FDR era)

1965–1967 (LBJ era)

2009–2010 (Obama era)

All talk. Your narrative can be summed up in one word: "excuses."

Yeah. One word response, not a single intellectual thought behind it. Shocking.

It is shocking because you have no excuses for this:

1937–1939 (FDR era)

1965–1967 (LBJ era)

2009–2010 (Obama era)

But of course, a partisan hack is gonna hack. It's in the blood.

Here you go: let's see all the excuses for 2009–2010:

1) Didn’t pass a simpler, broadly popular healthcare option

Skipped a clear public option/Medicare buy-in in favor of private industry subsidization.

2) Didn’t prosecute top Wall Street figures after the fiscal crash

Reinforced the “elites aren’t held accountable” narrative.

3) Didn’t deliver strong, visible foreclosure relief

Millions lost homes while banks stabilized.

4) Didn’t produce a fast, felt recovery for working-class voters

Macro economy did improve, but many communities didn’t feel it.

5) Didn’t enact meaningful anti-corruption / lobbying reforms

“Revolving door” and influence concerns stayed intact.

6) Didn’t pass comprehensive immigration reform during the 2009-2010 window

Left a vacuum that later hardened into a flashpoint and paved the way for fatso Trump with the big mouth.

7) Didn’t pivot on trade to address deindustrialization concerns

Left skepticism about globalization unaddressed, did nothing to stop industry from offshoring and gutting out communities.

8) Didn’t structurally break up “too big to fail” banks

Regulated them, but didn’t shrink or punish them, the trust gap remained.

9) Didn’t reform the filibuster when they had leverage

Set up years of gridlock so the government looks ineffective and full of excuses.

10) Didn’t end gerrymandering (despite rhetoric about fixing the system)

No federal change to map-drawing rules, so all those power consolidation incentives and distrust with the system carried forward.

I'd be shocked, too, while trying to come up with a comprehensive list of excuses for my cult.

It is shocking because you have no excuses for this:

1937–1939 (FDR era)

1965–1967 (LBJ era)

2009–2010 (Obama era)

The "shocking" quip was obviously a sarcastic expression of how predictable it was that you continue to defend a position with nothing but emotional narrative spinning rather than putting together facts and tying then together with logic to make an actual point.

I don't need an excuse for things that happened 40 and 20 years before I was born, first of all, so this isn't the mic drop you seem to think it is.

Regarding your clearly AI generated list from 09/10, perhaps you could start by explaining what exactly you think your list proves? I would really love to hear you connect the dots coherently as you explain your deep rational thought process. Go.

So no excuses. Congratulations.

You have a decent point that dems could have probably did a lot more during the 60 vote majority with Obama. But still getting consensus and sometimes a 60 vote threshold would have been not feasible many times too.

I dont know how much these things were even sought out, though, during that term

It's far worse than that.

All the "blue no matter who" crowd who excused the monumental failures during 2009–2010

Are DIRECTLY responsible for the current president resident.

You don't blame a dog for getting free and biting all the kids in the street; you blame the owner who opened up the gate and set it loose through negligence.

Your analogy isnt right. It dont make sense to vote for trump just because dems suck when trump sucks worse.

Objectively false due to 2 elections.

The opposite of what you said is objectively true.

I know these ideas r loaded with complex social and political ideas but can you state simply by what metric and how on earth trump is better than the dem party or recent candidates?

The only way I can see people thinking that is that they are just uninformed. Of course theres ideologues who are informed and agree with you, but they r a small minority

So don't change anything, excuse everything, and hope for the best?

Some plan.

If the rights in the bill of rights were the foundation of the country, even before the concept of self governance, then they would not have built in a process through the country's founding document to change them.

Per that logic, the below section also wouldn't be the foundation. You do realize that the Constitution allows the usage of amendments to turn the country into a monarchy, right? But that does not mean the founders envisioned an America that destroys itself in the end; this is true whether it's by the return of monarchism or an authoritarian regime disarming its populace.

America wasn’t built on any single right or set of rights, it was built on the idea that the people have the authority to define what rights deserve protection in the first place.

Then why did the Declaration of Independence call these rights "inalienable and endowed by to men by their creator?" This narrative falls flat once you actually read the writings of the founders, including their most famous document.

The only way I can see people thinking that is that they are just uninformed. 

"I love the poorly educated" - Donald Trump (Speaking about his base)

"Smart people don't like me" - Donald Trump (Speaking about Democrats)

Y'all seem to be using a lot of Trump avatars, lately. Is it misery loves company, a mirror image, or lack of personality?

"Be yourself, everyone else is taken." - Oscar Wilde

You do realize that the Constitution allows the usage of amendments to turn the country into a monarchy, right?

If a monarch was established via a constitutional amendment then that would make it's power, by definition, subservient to the constitution.

A constitutional amendment which overrides even that limitation, making the monarch more powerful than the constitution itself, is not an amendment, it's a total nullification of the constitution, making the whole concept anti American according to your working definition. So to argue that this is in any way legally valid defeats your argument at the outset because then you're arguing that the constitution is itself anti-American.

Then why did the Declaration of Independence call these rights "inalienable and endowed by to men by their creator?"

The only rights the declaration listed are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which all democrats agree with. Nothing in there about the second amendment.

Y'all seem to be using a lot of Trump avatars, lately. Is it misery loves company, a mirror image, or lack of personality?

"Be yourself, everyone else is taken." - Oscar Wilde

Is that how it works, the avatar reflects your personality, I suppose yours is a frog because you are slimy.

“If frogs could fly – well, we'd still be in this mess, but wouldn't it be neat?” - Drew Carey

The only rights the declaration listed are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which all democrats agree with.

Abortion policy.

Pandemic mandates.

Gun control.

Progressive tax policies

Speech regulation.

Environmental regulations.

Rent control and housing rules.

Mandated healthcare policy.

Student loan forgiveness.

Affirmative action.

Immigration law enforcement violations and exceptions

Expansion of unelected alphabet agency mandates

No protections for surgery for minors

Occupational licensing requirements

Zoning restrictions on property use

Minimum wage laws

Compulsory public education laws

Mandated venues for public education

Drug prohibition policies

Civil asset forfeiture practices

Limits on homeschooling or curriculum standards

Price controls

Support for statewide rent cancellation during COVID

Backing “good cause eviction” limits on landlords

Advocating for public ownership of utilities (power)

Support for fare-free public transit funded with mandated taxation

Backing higher taxes on high earners and corporations, including partially used residences

Support for tenant protections over property rights

Advocating for reduced policing budgets and reallocating funds away from public safety

Mandated funding of government-managed supermarkets

Support for a mandated single-payer healthcare

Backing stricter labor regulations and union protections over the property rights of business owners

Support for ending many forms of private development incentives (rezoning/subsidies)

When was America ever great?

Before the white man came of with diseases that killed off so many north and south native indigenous peopls

In terms of achieving World greatness the US sort of missed the boat.

Huge differrence in preventing Nazi taking over.

In terms of global dominance Britain was in fact once the greatest ever, closely followed by Rome.

Got that correct, tho India may have had some say about that.

Indeed...All current attempts at MAGA seem to be counter productive...More sort of MANOGA... Making America Number One Global Arseholes.

I second that Sergea. If only we cold all move to the country of Sergea and attempt to save humanity from dumb devastation of the ecological environment thats sustains us all.

Before the white man came of with diseases that killed off so many north and south native indigenous peopls

Damn son, evolution be racist 'n sheit.