Many Theists tend ro have a certain Mental Illness

Yeah theists are pretty predictable in the ways you said about establishing god. But it should be said more often that tje average or even below average intelligence theist royally sucks at defending their faith

I tend to use christian miracles and god and jesus in nde phenomenon to establish god. Its rare to find people arguing this but to me theyre solid arguments. Ive been pondering the god question for over 20 years and thats the best I got. The philosophical arguments for god like causation are helpful but should be kept at the level of consistent with god theory and helpful but only philosophy and only weakly if at all even evidence to begin with

I think I've said this before, but a few things that makes quality debates hard are that (a) very few people are qualified to make strong arguments, (b) it takes significant effort to identify high-quality arguments, and thus (c) the algorithm rewards entertaining arguments more-so than high-quality arguments. I do think most people can make good points, but it takes someone else to come in and aggregate them into a strong argument.

If you want to brute-force truth finding, go to a subreddit filled with people who disagree with you and argue with them until you hear a response you don't have a great answer for. Then go to the other faction's subreddit and argue with them, etc. This seems like a lot of work but if you do things the typical way it will be much more inefficient, as 90% of arguments will either address things you already have responses to rather than addressing where you personally have gaps in your knowledge. AI can also fill you in on many of the most defensible arguments/responses, but it has its limits.

This is part of why I made the argument database. Basically it's the same principle there, you make an argument and then over time the strongest counterarguments will rise to the top. We'll just have to see if that grows.

Jesus was a controversial figure. But the Christian religion is driven by Pauline indoctrination.

Most criminals in the United States identify as religious, with Christian denominations (particularly Protestants and Catholics) comprising the vast majority of the prison population, while atheists are significantly underrepresented, often comprising less than 1% of inmates despite being a larger share of the general population.

FLRW wrote:

Most criminals in the United States identify as religious, with Christian denominations (particularly Protestants and Catholics) comprising the vast majority of the prison population, while atheists are significantly underrepresented, often comprising less than 1% of inmates despite being a larger share of the general population.

There are no atheists in foxholes, or in front of parole review boards.

SatanLucy wrote:

Those religions are just crowd control.

Very true.

Debby wrote:

Jesus was a controversial figure. But the Christian religion is driven by Pauline indoctrination.

Very true...Indoctrination is key, obviously.

The Pauline doctrine dominates in the Bible replacing Jesus’s message.

I imagine it really bothers people who don't like theists to walk around all day looking at people wondering which ones are and which ones aren't. Or worse , just assuming everyone you see is and you're the only one that isn't.

GajarMooli wrote:

I have been debating theists from multiple religions, mainly Christians from America and Canada, Muslims from Pakistan, India many from Europe too. And Hindus from India.

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All is good and well till this point, until you challenge the layman theist about thier religion, because you will be getting arguments from them which you have never heard of, which you can't answer, as an atheist. Someone said to me, why is the universe so perfect ? I said, no it is not perfect, it's just random stuff, which lead to evolution, which makes you think that it's perfect from a human perspective, but outside human interests the world in itself seems ro have no meaning. Out of all the things I said, he picked 'randomness' and asked me to exaplain what I meant by that, I have read "the God delusion" I just copy pasted the lines from my memory to speech, and the next thing they ask me is, to take a box of mechanical parts and shake it to a point till a watch forms 😂

I find it interesting, GajarMooli, that you consider some theists to be mentally ill because of their beliefs, while you have no problem stating your own religious belief that our fine-tuned universe is "not perfect" but is the result of "random stuff, which lead to evolution...."

Not only is it impossible for "random stuff" to result in fine-tuning such as is seen in our universe, but evolution is nothing more than a theory that Charles Darwin borrowed from the pagan Greeks.

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Evolution is to give the pagan mind a starting point. Just like religion had to go through several changes to arrive at the point we are in.

There are plenty of pagan creation stories that have nothing to do with evolution.

Hmmm, a fine-tuned universe with pediatric cancer?

Childhood cancer (or pediatric cancer) refers to malignancies diagnosed from birth through age 19, with the highest incidence occurring in children aged 0–14. In the United States, approximately 9,500 to 16,000 children and adolescents are diagnosed annually, and cancer remains the leading cause of disease-related mortality for children aged 1 to 14.

They have to stop all this suffering and find a cure for cancer.