The bible presents jesus as god

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The Mystery of the Trinity


The Trinity is one of the deepest mysteries in all of Christian faith—a truth revealed but never fully grasped. The Bible gives us glimpses, not neat formulas, because what is infinite cannot be captured in finite terms.




John opens his Gospel with words that shake the mind: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:1,14). Here we see both distinction and unity: the Word was with God, yet the Word was God. The eternal Christ entered history, not as an idea, but as flesh.




Jesus Himself spoke in riddles that reveal this mystery. He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58)—taking upon Himself the divine name revealed to Moses at the burning bush. He warned, “Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Yet in another breath, when called “good,” He responded: “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone” (Mark 10:18). Was this denial? No—it was a subtle challenge. If Jesus is truly “good,” then He must also be God, for goodness in its perfection belongs to God alone.




Interestingly, Jesus rarely went about directly proclaiming, “I am God.” Instead, He preferred the title “Son of Man.” This was not a denial of His divinity but a layering of meaning. The “Son of Man” is a figure from Daniel 7 who comes on the clouds with authority, receiving glory and worship. Still, when pressed, Jesus did not reject the title “Son of God,” but affirmed it (John 10:36). His humility was not in hiding His identity, but in revealing it in a way that required spiritual ears to hear.




After His resurrection, the disciples spoke plainly: Thomas confessed to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Paul called Him “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13). The early church was convinced not only that Jesus revealed God, but that in Him, God Himself had come near.


Jesus in the gospels also says "i am the father are one". and 'one' in that context didn't mean the same person but the same essence. and i think it was at that point that the jews tried to stone him for blasphemy


Attempts to Understand the Trinity


Christians across centuries have sought analogies to grasp what is beyond human reason.




Relational roles: A man can be at once a father, a son, and a brother—three roles, yet one person. Similarly, God reveals Himself in different aspects without ceasing to be one.


Dimensions: The Son steps into our dimension, while the Father transcends in another dimension. They are distinct in experience, but united in essence.


Human nature: We ourselves are a trinity—spirit, mind, and body. Different aspects, yet one person.


Nature itself: St. Patrick famously used the three-leaf clover. Three leaves, yet one plant.


Mutual indwelling: The Spirit enters the Son, and through the Spirit, the Father is present in the Son. The Persons are distinct, yet they fully interpenetrate one another in what theology calls perichoresis—a divine dance of love.


Each of these analogies shines a fragment of light, though none can capture the fullness.




The Paradox of the Unlimited


At its heart, the Trinity is not a logical puzzle to be solved, but a paradox that reveals the limits of human thought. God is infinite, yet He enters the finite. He is unlimited, yet He chooses limitation. As Philippians 2 says, Christ “emptied himself, taking the form of a servant.”




Creation itself is a form of divine self-limitation: the boundless God makes a bounded universe. In the Trinity we see the same mystery—oneness that contains difference, eternity that enters time, infinity that wears flesh.




Near-death experiences often echo this: people describe encountering a Light that is utterly One yet somehow full of relational Love. They experience God not as cold abstraction, but as a living communion. In that sense, the Trinity is not mathematics (1+1+1=1), but relationship—perfect love flowing between Father, Son, and Spirit.




Conclusion


The Trinity is not meant to be dissected so much as entered into. It is a mystery that invites worship more than explanation. The early Christians did not invent it—they simply encountered Jesus and the Spirit in ways that forced them to rethink everything they knew about God.




As finite beings, we stumble before the paradox. But that stumbling is holy. For the Trinity is God’s way of saying: “I am not solitary power, I am eternal love. And this love has come near to you in Christ, and dwells in you by the Spirit, to bring you back to the Father

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In Christian theology and biblical accounts, the claim that Jesus is God is supported by His authority


• Divine Authority: In the Gospels (such as Mark 2 and Luke 5), Jesus forgives the sins of the paralytic man before healing him. The religious leaders of His time accused Him of blasphemy, noting that only God can forgive sins. By claiming the direct right to absolve sin against God, Jesus was asserting divine prerogative.

• Theological Insight: As outlined by resources like Answers in Genesis, Jesus demonstrated divine attributes—such as reading thoughts and performing miracles

• Miracles in the Gospels: Jesus raised multiple people from the dead during His earthly ministry, including Jairus's daughter (Mark 5), the widow’s son at Nain (Luke 7), and Lazarus (John 11), demonstrating sovereign power over life and death.

• His Own Resurrection: The primary pillar of Christian proof for Jesus's deity is His own resurrection

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The phrase "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" comes from Matthew 28:19 in the New Testament of the Bible

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@linate


linate wrote:

The phrase "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" comes from Matthew 28:19 in the New Testament of the Bible


Yes, a section of the Christian rule book, loosely attributed to an unknown Jewish scribe sometime in the latter part of the 1st Century, and then some time later attributed to a guy referred to as Matthew...Though "Matthew" is in fact an even later anglicised derivative...As is "The Bible".


And for sure dunking people in water and chanting mystical things is a ritual that certain types find meaningful...Though it must be pointed out that in a vain search for meaning, ignorant people have long since entertained all sorts of daft mystical and non-mystical practices and chants.

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@SatanLucy

They're each god. C'mon this is right up your ally, you're all about things that don't make sense right?

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@linate
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@linate
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@SatanLucy


SatanLucy wrote:
They're each god. 

Are they each God or are they parts of God? Cuz first one means you got 3 Gods.


Made up nonsense Lucy, designed as a method of mass subjugation by expanding Roman Catholic and later Protestant theo-political business empires.


It was once very easy to mesmerise uneducated yokels with clever cliches...Still mesmerises numpties to this day.

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@SergeantLynch

The Old Testament does not portray the coming Christ as a God, but a Messiah a human anointed leader from the line of King David and not as God incarnate.

it is only in the New Testament is Jesus exalted to God.

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Remember that when Jesus was on the cross he said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Doesn't that prove that Jesus wasn't God?

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@FLRW

The Jews had good reasons for rejecting Jesus and charging him with blasphemy.

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@Debby



Debby wrote:
The Old Testament does not portray the coming Christ as a God, but a Messiah a human anointed leader from the line of King David and not as God incarnate.
it is only in the New Testament is Jesus exalted to God.


That is incorrect, Debby. There are no scriptures in any part of the Judeo-Christian Bible where Jesus is "exalted to God." But if you insist, suppose you provide us with your first three set of "trinity" scriptures. Do that, and I will show you how the context (surrounding words, verses, and chapters) does not agree with your interpretation.



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WRONG DEBBY FAKE CATHOLIC YOU ARE!!! HOW DARE YOU TELL THIS STUFF?!!


the coming Messiah is indeed prophecied to be God in many indirect and some direct ways most of which are inside the book of Isaiah.


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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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@Debby


Debby wrote:
The Old Testament does not portray the coming Christ as a God, but a Messiah a human anointed leader from the line of King David and not as God incarnate.
it is only in the New Testament is Jesus exalted to God.


Maybe once upon a time in Middle Eastern tribal folklore.


And yes as I suggested, Christianity is a later Europeanised theo-political derivative.


And over yonder, Hindu's for example had other ideas.

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I thought he was just the 'son of God' but there is a brit user who debunked this lie stating that 'son of God' is just a title, as well as the 'Christ' which is also a title.

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@NeutralZone

The scriptures that point to the trinity.

Matthew 3:16-17

Matthew 28:19

2 Corinthians 13:14

John 1:1-4.

John 10:30.

John 14:26.

1 Corinthians 8:6

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@GreatfulGoy.

Isaiah portrays in the Messianic prophecies god will send 1. A King, 2. A servant and 3. The anointed Messiah.

Why the Jews rejected Jesus as the anointed Messiah?

  1. jesus did not establish universal peace.
  2. Rebuilding of the temple.
  3. Gathering of the exiles.
  4. Universal recognition of God.

Because Jesus died without achieving political liberation or national restoring , Jewish tradition does not view him as the Messiah.

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@linate

The Trinity is not meant to be dissected so much as entered into. It is a mystery that invites worship more than explanation.


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What would a God need worship for?


The Christians are clear in that obedience is what God wants.


I think it is stupid to think that an omni everything God would want anything.


Better to believe the Bible when it says that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways.


Anything we say of the supernatural God idiocy is a lie.

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Doesn't Religion show that there is no intelligent life on Earth? OMG, is that why Aliens are not visiting us?

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@linate

"The bible presents jesus as god"


How do you account for the fact that it took Christianity 400 years to recognize that the Bible says that?





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@Debby


Debby wrote:
The scriptures that point to the trinity.
Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:14
John 1:1-4.
John 10:30.
John 14:26.
1 Corinthians 8:6


Yes, all very Greek.

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@Sidewalker

There may have been disputes on the point but the idea that jesus is God was there from the beginning and only formally defined much later. Plus I presented the argument biblically so it is what it is

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Evidence of the afterlife

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/10d/evidence-of-the-afterlife