Why God allows suffering evenrthough he loves us

Dumb people cannot think objectively.

Putting the two thoughts together. God loves us to suffer.

Purpose of suffering does not end with end of life. That merely ends suffering for the righteous, but suffering continues for the evil among us. And all of that is dependent on whether we have made righteous or evil user of our practice of dominion on earth. If we have made righteous use of our dominion, in spite of experiencing suffering on earth, we will ultimately benefit by our righteous dominion, and our suffering will be rewarded with glory. If not, we will not be glorified, but will continue suffering to a degree we cannot now imagine. Regret for evil doing can be very painful, mores than the fire and brimstone often copnclude4de as beings hell. Nope. Hell is a shop window with no door into the shop, knowing, finally, doors have been restricted for those who were evil on earth.

I think you ignored my examples, faux. If a child dies of leukemia, I assume you'd say they would go to heaven -- but what purpose did their suffering on Earth serve? It taught them no lessons they could ever implement; they didn't get a chance to live. What about the doe starving to death in a rock fissure? I'm going to hedge that you don't believe animals have free will, or a soul -- the doe certainly cannot commit evil. What purpose did its suffering serve?

50% what?

So you cant even figure that one out. Okay.

All the prophets God sent to help eventually died or were martyred. Godcould not eradicate the suffering he introduced.

Right. Blame God. Try some new explanation. I am sick and tired of that old myth. Own your own loaded diaper, boyo. No one one else, including Gods, is responsible.

The phrase "nothing is done without God's consent" reflects a belief in divine sovereignty and control over all events, often found in religious contexts. This perspective suggests that even if events seem random or negative, they occur within God's plan and purpose. It implies that God has ultimate authority and nothing happens outside of His knowledge and permission

50%.

That's like you saying banana, and expecting me to know what you are on about.

Sometimes you need to elucidate your thoughts and ideas BK...Especially when attempting to communicate your thoughts and ideas to others.

So, probably yes is one expression of thought, and probably no is another expression of thought. So how does this equate to a percentage?

A percentage of what?

50% yes, 50% no.

Saying either, probably yes or probably no, are 100% expressions of indefinite uncertainties, wherein one makes a preferred choice.

Saying 50/50, is an optional expression of an indefinite uncertainty, wherein one does not subscribe to a preferred option.

Though in the first instance, I did actually say, probably not.

Is that how you balance your response?

 I did actually say, probably not

You also said opposite is less logical, so now explain how 50/50 is "less logical". Of course, you will just do another rant...

50% yes, 50% no. Is not less logical. It is a balanced view.

50/50 is a likelihood wherein there a two definite options, either known or unknown.

A balanced view accepts that there are two definite but not necessarily known options.

Probably not, expresses an opinion and does not consider another option such as probably yes...So not intended to be either a balanced view or propose an alternative option wherein likelihood can be measured as 50/50.

BK is currently into a semantics thing.

BK also creates a false image of me ranting, whereas I'm just enjoying the compositional exercise. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't waste my time doing it.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one ...

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life

In the US, the Bible Belt states have the lowest life expectancy (< 75 years) and the least religious states have the highest life expectancy (>80 years).

Jesus only lived to 33. Heaven is the goal.

General Anesthetics show that there is no heaven.

Jesus describes heaven in the Bible.

John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

There's no such thing as a benevolent god. Even the God of Abraham killed everybody in a flood.If that doesn't say i'm not benevolent, I don't know what does.

Well stated.

That goes against the Bible.

Exodus 34:6

And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,

Remember that Albert Einstein said, " The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me."

Einstein's theories are not inapplicable; in fact, they are foundational to modern technology like GPS and are experimentally verified in many areas of physics. However, they are not universally applicable to all scenarios, particularly at the quantum (very small) level or inside black holes, where a complete theory is still lacking. While Einstein's theories accurately describe gravity on large scales, future research is needed to develop a more comprehensive understanding that unifies them with quantum mechanics. 

Thing is, GOD had nothing to do for billions of years just floating about in a void somewhere...So it's only fair that he's now free to release his inner torment...And if that involves role play and BDSM then who are we to argue....He tried straight sex with a Judean virgin and that clearly wasn't enough.

I think that is a falascious idea that suffering was supposed to end.

Revelation 21:14 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Romans 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

Let me guess , Faux, " they are more mistranslations". and that I need to understand the ancient Greek imports.

 I disagree that God can ever be blamed for our suffering, regardless of severity. Contrary to some who believe that God is the total cause of everything, good or bad, which occurs to us, I believe God is almost never the total cause of anything which occurs. 

Well you would disagree. LOL considering that by gods own admissions he creates evil.

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Revelation 21:14

Re-check your source reference. That verse says nothing to suffering, but speaks to the New Jeri=usalem John sees descending from heaven to earth, not about suffering.

Let me guess , Faux, " they are more mistranslations". and that I need to understand the ancient Greek imports.

Wrong guess. Not sloppy translation this time, but your own sloppy reference. But to clarify, suffering does not end for the wicked; its does for the righteous upon the last judgment, which may only end at death for the very last left in mortal life after Christ's return, or sometime after.

fauxlaw wrote:I think that is a falascious idea that suffering was supposed to end.

Stephen wrote: Revelation 21:14 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”.

Romans 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

Let me guess , Faux, " they are more mistranslations". and that I need to understand the ancient Greek imports.

fauxlaw wrote: Wrong guess. Not sloppy translation this time, but your own sloppy reference. But to clarify, suffering does not end for the wicked; its does for the righteous upon the last judgment, which may only end at death for the very last left in mortal life after Christ's return, or sometime after.

Yes . Got me. It was sloppy of me to rely on memory alone.

It was typo and should have read REVELATION 21:4. - that's Twenty one : Four. NOT 21: 14 - fourteen.

So lets try that one more time.

fauxlaw wrote:I think that is a falascious idea that suffering was supposed to end.

Stephen replied.   Rvelation21:4 "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" (NIV)

fauxlaw wrote: But to clarify, suffering does not end for the wicked;

How convenient. Now who's being sloppy?

So tell me, - the wicked are gone and are suffering no end (where ever they are?) -even though Jesus has paid that ransom and died - by all Christian accounts., who's tears are being "wiped away"? and who will not ever die? AND why were those "righteous and faithful" ones suffering in the first place? Why do the "righteous and faithful" have to die at all?

Or you could just accept it for what it is: nothing more than a symbolic story of hope in what it will be like one day

Thanks for clarifying in your #87. Okay, Rev 21:4. No, translation, as I suspected, is not at issue here. What is at issue, and often is, is context. For that, one verse is not sufficient to know who and what is being discusses with the "new earth and heaven" discussed in chapter 21. Context is in previous chapters. Ch. 20 discusses the finality of old earth and heaven; in fact, several chapters back. At the point of transition from "old" to "new," the righteous and the wicked have been separated [the wicked into the "fires" of hell, which is not as much a "place" as it is an attitude; one that is completely contrary to God, Aden, therefore, cannot abide his presence. In Ch. 21, Christ has already established his kingdom on earth for the fourth time [the first with Adam & Eve, the second with Noah after the flood, the third with his coming by birth by Mary and sojourn through mortal life, and the fourth by his resurrected return in glory, "the second coming," a still future event for us now. The righteous have re-occupied earth, the wicked have been banished, and righteousness now dwells on earth in complete victory as ch. 21` begins, the "new" heaven and earth.

Looks like the wicked are back again.

They never left us. They have always been among us.