I believe in Jesus Christ, but I dont believe in the Bible

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#31 •••
@SatanLucy
Jesus says: "Leave the woman alone, you misogynistic fuckers!!!"


By that "quote," I know for a fact you have not read the Bible, as I know I have, in four separate languages, cover to cover, and I know, therefore, that, though you "quote" him, Jesus never said that in any language. So, don't try to sell that you have read the Bible, and, without doing so, can neither believe or disbelieve. Period.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#32 •••

I believe a higher intelligence created the universe and everything in it, but I don't for one second believe that intelligence even remotely resembles man or his fucking ego.

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#33 •••
@SomeDebatePerson

How can it be based off of Judism when it when it condemns the law?

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#34 •••
@SatanLucy

If Jesus is God, who was he sacrificing his life to?


Where is it written that God can die?


Where is it written that Jesus was anointed to Christ?


It never happened.

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#35 •••
@SatanLucy

Jesus, being God, is the only one who has the interpretation of the law that is fully correct. For the context of what was going on, the Pharisees were trying to trick Jesus and trap him. If he commanded her to be stoned, he violates Roman law. If he lets her go, he violates the Law. Or so they hoped he'd think. Jesus, fully knowing the Law (since he was the one who made it) knew that the Law called for the woman to go before the government court to be convicted. Only then could the witnesses of the crime begin to stone her.


Another thing, the Law called for both the man and woman to be stoned (leviticus 20:10). They only brought the woman, so already the Pharisees broke the Law.

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#36 •••
@Justafool

Jesus is the Son, who willingly gave his life up as a sacrifice for our sins to the Father. God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


It isn't written anywhere that God can't die. It would only be illogical for God to cease to exist. Jesus dying in his physical form is not illogical in any way.


I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking how we know Jesus is the Messiah?

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#37 •••
@Trader12

Willingly? Where did you get such a notion? My Bible says that Jesus was chosen. He did not get the option of willingly choosing to die in Yahweh's stead. Please quote what you are claiming.


I say in his stead because, Yahweh, not Jesus, deserved to die for creation and any screw ups. Right?


Your God is said to be immortal. My dictionary says that that means God cannot die, regardless of if you slice and dice God into a Trinity or Quartet.


To believe in your Jesus, you have to believe he fathered himself with himself after doing some time travelling.


Do you really want a supernatural savior that much? Especially given of how immoral the messianic concept is?



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#38 •••
@Trader12

""Jesus, being God, is the only one who has the interpretation of the law that is fully correct. ""


When asked if he was good, Jesus answered, that only God was good.


Strange that Christians can think that a genocidal mass murderer, who can cure as easily as kill, yet always chooses to kill, is somehow a good God.


You don't think that, do you?

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#39 •••
@Justafool

Yes, he responded that only God was good. There are probably hundreds of videos and articles explaining why Jesus saying that actually shows that he is claiming to be God, not denying it. Jesus calls himself the "good shepherd" in John. He also says that only God is good. Thus, by calling himself good and saying only God is good, he is calling himself God. Also, when Jesus is saying this, he is talking to the rich man who calls him "good teacher". Jesus asks why he is calling him good, encouraging the man to take a look at what being "good" actually is. he wants the man to realize that no men are good (romans 3:23).


God is certainly good because he killed evil people. When you say "murder", murder implies that the killing is unjust. However, when God kills, it is always just because God is the Just Judge, and he gave those people life in the first place. He certainly has the right to take that life away, especially when they are doing things like the Amalekites and Caananites were doing back in the day.

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#40 •••
@Justafool

So does your Bible not have the verse where Jesus says that no one can take his life, and he lays down his life of his own accord?


Why do you say Yahweh "deserved" to die for creation and any screw ups? What do you mean by that? God loved us so much that he sent his Son (who was willing to be sent, as he, also being God, loved us as well) to die for our sins. He doesn't have to die for us. He decided to have mercy on us, so he didn't deserve to die for anything.


Yes, God is immortal. But Jesus has two natures. The Hypostatic Union says that Jesus has a human nature and a divine nature. The human nature died on the cross, but Jesus's divine nature was perfectly intact. So God's essence did not die. His physical body did. Jesus was not annihilated out of existence on the cross, he still was existing, just not in his physical earthly body.


No, I don't have to believe that he fathered himself. I believe in the Trinity.



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#41 •••
@Trader12

Belief is a futile concept.


Within the limitations afforded us by our onboard computers, we either know something or we don't.


The Middle Eastern derived biblical myth is what it is, just like every other previous or later social creation and existence hypothesis.


Jesus, the bastard son of a loose woman and a Judeo-Arabic lothario, was probably a real character, who inspired and led a small religious sect, based upon his own adaptation of the Abrahamic myth.


Human social development, coupled with the inevitability of generational data transfer, has led us to an inevitable set of hypothetical and mythological data conclusions, which are wholly reliant upon belief rather than factual certainty.


Worldwide, many similar situations developed and still persist.

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#42 •••
@Justafool
  1. Theological interpretations: While some interpret the passage as a way to prove Jesus is not God, mainstream Christian theology views this as a way of affirming his divinity. The passage is often understood as a way to teach that Jesus is the ultimate example of goodness because he is God. 


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#43 •••
@Trader12

So why did God create them evil instead of good?


Are all souls not created equal?


Why should some be genocided and others not?


As to God sending Jesus to die, your prick of a God should have died. Not his son.


He screwed up creation. Not Jesus.



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#44 •••
@Trader12

Ya. You have many strange beliefs.


It comes from stupid supernatural beliefs.

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#45 •••
@Justafool

Yes, Gnostics believe that the material world was created by a lesser, flawed, or ignorant being (often called the 

Demiurge) and is inherently imperfect and corrupt, which is essentially a "screwed up" creation. They believe this creator god is not the true, transcendent, supreme God. 

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#46 •••
@Justafool

They were not created evil. Satan tempted them and they fell for it.


Again, Jesus is God. Did you mean the Father should have died and not Jesus? Neither of them "messed up". God does not make mistakes; he is sovereign.

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#47 •••

Jesus offered Himself to the Father.

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#48 •••

It wouldn’t make sense for the Father to become incarnate.

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#49 •••

Nowhere in Abrahamic texts, does god ever lower himself to have sex with or become a human being. Demigods are a pagan, Greco-Roman concept. Christianity is Rome adapting a religion to secure the region, because war was no longer doing it.

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#50 •••

God does not have sex with anyone.


Pagans believed that their gods were far too high to become man. Many thought the gods did not care about human affairs.


“[T]here is no evidence that the portrayal of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels (the three earliest gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke) was directly influenced by pagan mythology in any significant way. Rather, it is widely agreed that the portrayal of Jesus in the gospels is deeply influenced by Jewish tradition.The earliest followers of Jesus were devout Jews who abhorred Paganism, and would have been unlikely to shape their accounts of their founder on pagan myths…most of the alleged parallels between Jesus and pagan deities only exist in the modern imagination, and there are no "accounts of others who were born to virgin mothers and who died as an atonement for sin and then were raised from the dead". The attitudes towards resurrection were generally negative among pagans.For example, Asclepius was killed by Zeus for using herbs to resurrect the dead, but by his father Apollo's request, was subsequently immortalized as a star.”


“According to historian of religion Jonathan Z. Smith, modern scholars hold that "dying and rising gods" trope is incorrect since early sources on numerous gods show that gods who have died, do not resurrect or even go through rebirth. Furthermore, claims of dying and resurrected gods is based on dubious reconstructions of later sources since early indigenous sources never make such claims, and there is no clear instance of a dying and rising deity.”


From Grokipedia

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#51 •••
@Debby, @fauxlaw

True Faux.


Jesus would never have said anything in English.



And people "believe" in all sorts of nonsense Debs.


And Gnostics also believe that putting a G before nostics makes them seem cool.


And "Demiurge" is an older persons condition, often associated with a semi.

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#52 •••
@SomeDebatePerson


Pagan Romans were drawn to Christianity for its promise of a better afterlife, its sense of community, and its egalitarian ideals, which contrasted with the social stratification of the Roman world. The religion also appealed to those who saw it as compatible with existing beliefs, initially allowing new followers to simply add Jesus to their pantheon, as well as those looking for a faith with a more structured message and a powerful, tangible promise of salvation. 

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