Atheists can go to Heaven

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#31 •••
@SomeDebatePerson

If there was a GOD, do you really think that it would be as stupid as you and the Bible make it out to be.


I'm guessing that it would be clever and pragmatic.



Nope, doesn't matter what label we apply to ourselves, because we are all subject to the same Universal Laws and will all suffer the same fate, which if you like, we can refer to as the GOD principle.

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#32 •••
@SatanLucy

Big relief, thanks Satan

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#33 •••
@SomeDebatePerson
How do you prove you have God?


You dont, God does.

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#34 •••
@Wryly
Big relief, thanks Satan


No problem.

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#35 •••
@SatanLucy

You still have people following you.

Matt 24:4, 5 - Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

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#36 •••
@SomeDebatePerson
"Atheism is not peaceful. Look at what happens".#2


What happens?



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#37 •••
@Stephen

Both are asking the same question.

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#38 •••
@Debby
"Atheism is not peaceful. Look at what happens".#2


What happens?


Both are asking the same question.#37


And you you have a answer?

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#39 •••
@Stephen

Are atheists allowed in heaven?


Atheists don't believe in the existence of any gods. Most don't believe any of the religious doctrine that goes with it. That means no afterlife and no heaven.


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#40 •••
@Debby
Are atheists allowed in heaven?


I don't have a clue. Define heaven and it's purpose.


Atheists don't believe in the existence of any gods. Most don't believe any of the religious doctrine that goes with it. That means no afterlife and no heaven.

Well you appear to have asked and answered your own question . Or aren't you satisfied with your own answer?




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#41 •••
@Stephen

I gave the reason why atheist don’t go to heaven.

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#42 •••
@Debby
I gave the reason why atheist don’t go to heaven.


You did. But I asked you to define heaven and its purpose. Here>>>#40

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#43 •••
@Stephen


Heaven is described across cultures and religions as a divine, blissful realm—often a celestial abode of God/gods, angels, and the righteous dead, characterized by ultimate peace, joy, and spiritual perfection, though specific imagery varies from a heavenly city (New Jerusalem) with gold/jewels to gardens (Jannah)or states of consciousness, all symbolizing eternal presence with the divine, free from earthly suffering.  


Common Themes & Descriptions:

  1. Divine Presence: 
  2. The ultimate dwelling place of God/the Divine, the source of all good, love, and light. 

  3. Perfection & Peace: 
  4. A realm without death, sorrow, pain, or evil, offering perfect joy, love, and fulfillment. 

  5. Beauty & Splendor: 
  6. Often depicted with ethereal, indescribable beauty, featuring streets of gold, crystal rivers, precious stones, and miraculous light. 

  7. Community: 
  8. A place to reunite with loved ones and spiritual figures, experiencing perfect fellowship. 

Key Religious Perspectives:

  1. Christianity: 
  2. The New Jerusalem (Book of Revelation) with its glorious city, gates of pearl, and the Tree of Life; the throne of God where Jesus sits;a future New Earth. 

  3. Islam (Jannah): 
  4. Described in vivid detail as gardens (Firdaws, Na'im) with rivers, fruits, fine silks, and reclining couches, beyond human imagination. 

  5. Hinduism/Buddhism: 
  6. Concepts vary, sometimes including celestial realms (Swarga) or a state of ultimate realization (Samadhi/Nirvana) accessible even in life. 

Beyond Literal Place: 


  1. Many traditions also describe heaven as a state of being or consciousness achieved through spiritual realization, not just a physical location after death.

Ultimately, heaven represents humanity's deepest longing for eternal bliss, wholeness, and closeness to the divine, expressed through rich, symbolic, and culturally diverse imagery. 


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#44 •••

Ok . I won't bother breaking down all of your nutty fluffy BS above, just explain this: what happens and what do people do when or if they happen to reach heaven?


Do they all sit at the feet of god /Jesus staring up at him lovingly for the rest of eternity?

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#45 •••
@Stephen

So you don’t know what heaven is like. Is that because you are an atheist?

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#46 •••
@Debby
So you don’t know what heaven is like. Is that because you are an atheist?


And neither do you. But I asked you what happens if one is fortunate enough to get to heaven? What do we do there? What goes on?



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#47 •••
@Stephen

In heaven, beliefs vary, but common ideas include 

experiencing eternal peace, worshiping God, and celebrating with other believers. Many traditions suggest that rather than being a state of idleness, heaven will involve fulfilling, purposeful activities like service, learning, and ruling, in a state of perfect joy and rest free from earthly pain and sorrow. 

Activities in heaven

  1. Worship and fellowship: Participating in continuous worship and gathering with people from all nations to celebrate God.
  2. Service and work: Engaging in purposeful, satisfying work, possibly as an extension of the roles originally given to humans before the fall.
  3. Learning and growing: Continuously learning and understanding more, as well as getting to know countless other people.
  4. Rest and celebration: Enjoying a state of rest and peace, free from the frustrations and hardships of earthly life, while also experiencing joyous celebrations with God and other redeemed individuals.
  5. Ruling: Taking on roles of authority and stewardship, such as ruling over the earth in God's glory. 

Experiences in heaven

  1. Freedom from suffering: Being free from pain, sorrow, death, and other forms of suffering.
  2. Perfect joy: Experiencing fullness of joy and pleasure that is without limit or end.
  3. Connection with creation: Interacting with all of God's creation in a way that is not fearsome, possibly even communicating with animals. 


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#48 •••
@Debby
In heaven, beliefs vary, but common ideas include.....


 Blah, blah , blah. Absolute cobblers. So no one knows anything about this heavenly place at all then.

Tell me, where did you get you list of : Things To do In Heaven. ?

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#49 •••
@Stephen

Where These Ideas Come From:

  1. Biblical Texts: Books like Revelation, 1 Corinthians, and Hebrews provide descriptions of heavenly activities and settings.
  2. Christian Authors & Bloggers: Pastors and writers like David Jeremiah, Greg Laurie, and sites like Crosswalk.com interpret scripture and share popular ideas.


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#50 •••
@Debby


Revelation, 1 Corinthians, and Hebrews provide descriptions of heavenly activities and settings.


Have you read for yourself those those biblical book you have offered?


I shall answer that for you: "No Stephen I have not read any of those books."


You see, is all that these books you offer is a description of what EARTH is expected to look like in/ under a new Age. You and your AI are absolutely full of shite.


And the "new heavens" (plura) is simply a reference to how the night sky will appear to look from the Earth as one celestial house transitions from the old Age to the new Age.

Read your book ffs and stop pretending that you know and understand it inside out, cover to cover and back to front.🤡





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#51 •••
@Stephen

I have read the Bible and several biblical scholars.

Even according to the biblical scholars:


The Book of Revelation is widely considered one of the most challenging, enigmatic, and misunderstood books in the Christian Bible

. Its difficulty stems from its heavy reliance on vivid symbolism, surreal imagery, and apocalyptic literature, which requires specific knowledge to interpret accurately. 

Reasons for Difficulty

  1. Unique Genre (Apocalyptic Literature): Unlike historical or epistolary (letter) books in the Bible, Revelation uses "insider language" and word pictures designed to communicate with a 1st-century audience under persecution. It often requires interpretation of symbols (e.g., beasts, lampstands) rather than literal reading.
  2. Old Testament Context: The book is saturated with references to Old Testament prophecies (Daniel, Ezekiel, etc.), with nearly 70% of its verses containing allusions to them. Without familiarity with these, many images can seem incomprehensible.
  3. Historical Setting: The book was written to encourage Christians facing persecution under the Roman Empire. Many symbols refer to specific political situations of that time, which can be lost on modern readers.
  4. Non-Linear Structure: The book does not always follow a strict, chronological timeline, often using "snapshots" or flashbacks to convey themes. 

Common Approaches to Interpretation

  1. Preterist: Views the events as having been fulfilled in the 1st century.
  2. Futurist: Views most of the book as describing events at the end of history.
  3. Historicist: Views the book as a map of church history from the 1st century to the return of Christ.
  4. Idealist: Views the book as a symbolic representation of the ongoing battle between good and evil. 

Despite its complexity, scholars and commentators often emphasize that its central message is not meant to be terrifying but encouraging, focusing on the hope that God is in control and that Jesus wins. 


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#52 •••
I have read the Bible


No you haven't and your schoolgirl errors so far have shown this to be the case, "Debby".



and several biblical scholars.


And I have debunked your offer "scholars" that turned out to have supported my arguments more than our own bullshite.

You really aught to stop relying on the totally unreliable AI for your useless information. It only causes you to backpedal and tell lies. And further, It only makes you out to be the .🤡 that you actually are.

Off you go now.



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#53 •••
@Stephen

Your arguments are meaningless.

you are a misguided person.


your profile includes your confession:”I simply do not accept the bible (New Testament in particular) in the way it has come down to us nor how it has been preached to us over the millennia. I have no problem believing that a mancalled Jesus existed minus the so called "miracles".”


you also admit you are not a practicing Christian and did not get enough education.

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