Stephen wrote:Why hadn't a single one of those present recognized a demon when they seen one and cast him out?  Nearly over 70 of his disciples had only recently been bragging about how they had cast out demons after being endowed with superpowers?.

Debby wrote:The disciples only received the gifts of healing after Jesus departed.

No. Not true at all, is it? Jesus hadn't even been crucified at that point !!!

If we take just Luke's gospel we see the power to cast out demons and perform other supernatural feats', we can clearly can read that these excited disciples on returning to Jesus after a mission saying:

"And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name". Luke 10:17KJV

So they had the gift of these powers well before the last supper.

And

It is not until Luke 23 that we read about the the crucifixion !!!! That's 13 verses later!!!

So either you are totally wrong or these (god inspired ) gospels are nothing more than jumbled up ambiguous mess that are seriously lacking simple chronology?

Yes, the disciples received the powerful gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus's departure, most significantly on the Day of Pentecost (about 50 days after his resurrection), when a rushing wind and tongues of fire appeared, empowering them to speak in other tongues and boldly preach the Gospel, fulfilling Jesus's promise to send the "Advocate". While Jesus also breathed on them and told them to "Receive the Holy Spirit" on the evening of His resurrection (John 20:22), Pentecost marked the full empowerment for their mission. 

Key Events

1. Before Pentecost: Jesus promised the coming of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26, 16:7) and, after His resurrection, breathed on them saying, "Receive the Holy Spirit" (John 20:22).
2. Pentecost (Acts 2):
3. A sound like a violent wind filled the house where they were gathered.
4. Tongues of fire rested on each of them.
5. They were filled with the Spirit and began speaking in other languages.
6. Peter preached, leading to about 3,000 people believing and being baptized, marking the birth of the early Church. 

Significance

1. Empowerment: The Spirit gave them power and boldness to witness for Jesus.
2. Guidance: The Holy Spirit came as the promised "Comforter" or Advocate to guide them.
3. Mission: It launched them into their mission to spread the Gospel, transforming them from fearful followers to fearless preachers. 

Yes, the disciples received the powerful gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus's departure, 

Now you are simply lying. You have purposely ignored the biblical evidence that I posted above that proves you to be wrong in the first instance. HERE>> #31WHY!?

You claimed no one could drive out Satan at the last supper because they hadn't been given the power to do so at that time #30.

Debby wrote: The disciples only received the gifts of healing after Jesus departed. #30.

I have proven you to be totally wrong and now you act as if I hadn't even replied... at all . and simply made the same already debunked claim.

So admit your mistake ( lack of obvious biblical knowledge) and then we can move forward.

That is correct. In Christian theology, the event where the disciples (and other believers) publicly received the gifts of the Holy Spirit occurred at 

Pentecost, which took place approximately 50 days after Jesus' resurrection and ascension into heaven [1]. 

The biblical narrative in the Book of Acts describes the Holy Spirit descending upon them as promised by Jesus before his ascension, empowering them with various spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing [1]. 

The disciples began healing the sick 

when Jesus first sent them out on their initial mission, granting them power and authority over diseases and demons (Luke 9:1-2; Matthew 10:1) before the day of Pentecost, though their healing activities became much more prominent and widespread after the Holy Spirit's arrival in Acts, with Peter and others healing multitudes in Jesus' name. 

when Jesus first sent them out on their initial mission, granting them power and authority over diseases and demons (Luke 9:1-2; Matthew 10:1)

So we agree then, Jesus was alive. He'd not been arrested, nor put on trial, nor sentenced, nor crucified at that time. when the NT tells us that he'd granted the disciples these supernatural powers. And they possessed them at the time of the last supper too. Luke 10:17

SO Why hadn't a single one of those present recognized a demon when they seen one and cast him out?

  Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3

The phrase "the Holy Spirit would reveal all things to them" comes from Jesus' promise in 

John 16:13, meaning the Spirit of Truth would guide believers into all truth, teach them, remind them of Jesus' words, and show them what is to come, empowering them to understand and live out spiritual realities beyond their current capacity. This revelation isn't just intellectual but transformative, enabling growth in faith and discernment, helping believers understand Jesus' life and purpose, and guiding them to their final destination. 

The Holy Spirit came in a new, powerful way after Jesus' resurrection, culminating on the day of Pentecost, which is 50 days after Easter (Jesus' resurrection) and 10 days after His Ascension, marking the birth of the Church with the Spirit indwelling believers. While the Spirit was active before, Jesus' completed work (death, resurrection, glorification) enabled the full, permanent indwelling of the Spirit in believers, a promised event that empowered the Apostles to spread the Gospel. 

Try answering the question.

If you don't know then simply say so instead of cut and pasting stuff found on the www that you foolishly believe will get you out of that corner that you have tightly painted yourself into and after lying.

So we agree then, Jesus was alive. He'd not been arrested, nor put on trial, nor sentenced, nor crucified at that time. when the NT tells us that he'd granted the disciples these supernatural powers. And they possessed them at the time of the last supper too. Luke 10:17

SO Why hadn't a single one of those present recognized a demon when they seen one and cast him out?

  Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3

The disciples did not recognize Judas as a "demon" because he maintained the 

outward appearance of a normal, loyal follower and his possession by Satan was an internal spiritual state, not a visible physical manifestation. 

Here's why they didn't know his true nature:

1. Deception and Appearance: Judas gave the outward appearance of a loyal disciple. He was even entrusted with the group's money bag, a role that required a degree of trust from the others.
2. Subtle Sinfulness: John's Gospel indicates that Judas was a thief and would steal from the common funds, but this was apparently a private act that the other disciples did not notice or at least did not act upon before the betrayal.
3. Inconceivable Betrayal: The idea that one of the twelve chosen apostles could be a betrayer, much less a "devil" as Jesus called him in John 6:70-71, was likely inconceivable to the others until the act occurred.
4. Jesus' Foreknowledge was Unique: Jesus knew from the beginning who the betrayer was, a result of His divine nature and foreknowledge, which the other disciples did not share.
5. Satan's Entry Was a Spiritual Event: The moment Satan "entered into Judas" (Luke 22:3, John 13:27) seems to be described as a spiritual event that led to his actions, rather than an obvious, physically evident possession that the disciples could immediately perceive.
6. Lack of Suspicion: During the Last Supper, when Jesus announced that one of them would betray him, the disciples were stunned and uncertain, looking at each other and asking who it could be, demonstrating they had no prior suspicion of Judas. 

In essence, Judas's corruption was internal and hidden beneath a veneer of normalcy, making it impossible for the other disciples, who lacked Jesus' divine insight, to identify him as being aligned with evil until his betrayal was acted upon. 

Your first stab at this awkward question was to tell us that "the disciples didn't have the power to cast out Satan when he was said to have "entered Judas"

I showed you to be wrong. And at your second stab at my question then you doubled down an blatantly lied.

And now, as poor as it is, your third attempt at making excuses for the lack of observation on behalf of the disciples is this complete and utter shite below.

Debby wrote: The disciples did not recognize Judas as a "demon" because he maintained the 

outward appearance of a normal, loyal follower and his possession by Satan was an internal spiritual state, not a visible physical manifestation. 

Here's why they didn't know his true nature:

So how did someone get to write about Satan entering Judas ?

I mean, if the disciples who were present at the time and endowed with all their supper powers and sitting in very close proximity to Judas couldn't recognise a demon - Lord of the demons no less - how do we believe an author writing years afterwards about something he couldn't have witnessed?

Please keep digging your hole. It's the only progress you're making as far as this subject is concerned.

The question is when did Judas become evil and decide to betray Jesus.

Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus on the night of the Last Supper, in the Garden of Gethsemane, shortly before Jesus' arrest, identifying him with a kiss to the arresting soldiers for 30 pieces of silver. This event, known as the Kiss of Judas, happened during Holy Week, with the specific day of planning often remembered as Spy Wednesday in Christian tradition.  

Key Details:

1. The Agreement: 
2. Judas had already agreed to betray Jesus to the chief priests for money days or weeks prior. 
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4. The Act: 
5. The actual betrayal occurred after the Last Supper, in the olive grove of Gethsemane, where Jesus went to pray. 
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7. The Identification: 
8. Judas signaled Jesus' location by kissing him (the "kiss of Judas"), allowing soldiers to arrest him. 
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10. Biblical Context: 
11. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John describe these events, with Luke noting Satan entered Judas at this time, and John mentioning Jesus identifying Judas at the supper by giving him a dipped morsel of bread. 

Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus on the night of the Last Supper, in the Garden of Gethsemane, shortly before Jesus' arrest, identifying him with a kiss to the arresting soldiers for 30 pieces of silver. This event, known as the Kiss of Judas, happened during Holy Week, with the specific day of planning often remembered as Spy Wednesday in Christian tradition.  

This doesn't answer the question, But what it does do is prove once again that you haven't read your bible..

There are two versions about who it was that identified Jesus.

Debby wrote: The disciples did not recognize Judas as a "demon" because he maintained the 

outward appearance of a normal, loyal follower and his possession by Satan was an internal spiritual state, not a visible physical manifestation. 

So how did someone get to write about Satan entering Judas ?

I mean, if the disciples who were present at the time and endowed with all their supper powers and sitting in very close proximity to Judas couldn't recognise a demon - Lord of the demons no less - how do we believe an author writing years afterwards about something he couldn't have witnessed?

You really aught to stop relying on the totally unreliable AI for your useless information. It only causes you to backpedal and tell lies. And further, It only makes you out to be the .🤡 that you actually are.

Off you go now.

It was Jesus who identified the Satan in Judas and Peter.

When some of the disciples ask Him who will betray Him, He answers, “It is he to whom I shall give this morsel when I have dipped it.” Then, He gives the morsel to Judas. Verse 27 reads, “Then, after the morsel,” presumably after Judas ate the morsel, “Satan entered into him.”

 Jesus said to Peter "Get behind me, Satan," in 

Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33 after Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from going to Jerusalem to suffer and die, because Peter was unknowingly speaking the mind of man, not God, and acting as a stumbling block to Jesus' divine mission. Jesus called Peter "Satan" (meaning "adversary" or "resistor") because Peter's human-focused concern for Jesus' safety was opposing God's plan for redemption through the cross, mirroring Satan's earlier temptations to divert Jesus from His purpose. 

You haven't understood the question, or you have ignored it. LOOK again I shall repeat it, underlining and in bold.

You wrote here of the "Judas kiss"

Debby the🤡 wrote: Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus on the night of the Last Supper, in the Garden of Gethsemane, shortly before Jesus' arrest, identifying him with a kiss to the arresting soldiers for 30 pieces of silver. This event, known as the Kiss of Judas, happened during Holy Week, with the specific day of planning often remembered as Spy Wednesday in Christian tradition.  

Stephen wrote:This doesn't answer the question, But what it does do is prove once again that you haven't read your bible..

(A)There are two versions about who it was that identified Jesus.

Debby the🤡 wrote: It was Jesus who identified the Satan in Judas and Peter.#42[.......]

But those gifted disciples didn't ,not a single one of them. and that is my point, Why couldn't they?

Now look at (A) , this was nothing to do with the lack of demon observation on the disciples behalf but YOU, for reasons known only to YOU, brought the identifying of JESUS by the kiss of Judas into the this conversation. I had to remind you that there are two different versions of who it is said identified Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane which I shall reproduce here.

Matthew 26:47-50 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

⁴⁸ Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

⁴⁹ And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.

⁵⁰ And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him.

But then the BIBLE also states at :

John 18:4-8

Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

⁵ They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

⁶ As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

⁷ Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

⁸ Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

im, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

⁶ As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

⁷ Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

⁸ Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

SO,Debby the🤡, which of these BIBLICAL versions is true?

Jesus had already identified Satan at work in Judas at the last supper in from of the disciples.

luke 22:3

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” 

Jesus had already identified Satan at work in Judas at the last supper in from of the disciples.

And the question is and has been throughout this thread, is: But why hadn't a single disciple recognised Satan ?

And you have dodged yet another question above,#43 why?

Which of the gospel writers is telling the gospel truth. Is it Matthew? or is it John? Because it can't be both, can it?

Based on the biblical narrative, the disciples likely 

could not identify Judas as "Satan" (or as the traitor) before the night of the Last Supper, which occurred before they received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. 

1. No Prior Suspicion: Despite Judas’s habit of stealing from the money bag, the disciples had no idea he was a traitor until the final moments in the Garden of Gethsemane.
2. Misunderstanding the Warning: When Jesus announced during the Last Supper that one of them would betray him, the disciples were perplexed, looking at one another in doubt, and did not immediately identify Judas.
3. Misinterpreting the Actions: Even when Jesus identified the betrayer by giving him the bread, the other disciples thought Judas was leaving to buy supplies for the feast or to give to the poor, not that he was going to betray Jesus.
4. Spiritual Blindness: The text indicates that the disciples were "slow to believe" and did not fully grasp the spiritual significance of Jesus' words about his death and resurrection until after the resurrection. 

While Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray him (John 6:64), he maintained secrecy regarding Judas's actions until the end, and the other disciples did not possess the spiritual discernment to recognize the evil within him before that point.