what do you make of the fact that it seems non christians dont have things that look supernatural happening to them? things that actually look supernaural, like they report at the congregation of the causes of the saints, not just things like 'cancer remission'. do you just assume a reporting bias, that christians reports seem disproportionately reported? even still though, the facts are what they seem, and i dont see other religions being reported even at a similar rate if much at all, compared to christians.
what do you think of the fact that it's actually been studied scientificially, that NDE reports are disporportionately christain in nature? that non chritain NDE reports are so rare and open to interprtation, that it casts doubt on all of them? again, it could be a reporting bias, but the facts are what they are. and again i dont see other religions being reported at a similar rate if much at all, compared to christains. i realize you said you thought atheists and christains have the same cultural background, but otherwise you weren't very scientific in your dismissal of christianity being so prevelent with NDEs so i am asking for clarification.
jesus said what our purpose is. it's to self sacriice for the greater good or love. and when you live that life, you can have hope for the afterlife, where it all makes sense, according to christianity and NDEs. if you dont see value in that, that's just your blinders. christainity has a lot of depth to it too, when you study 'meaning' and 'purpose' and the science of happiness. you just have blinders on.
christianty has a poor track record on crusades and such, but you are blaming the leader of our movement for what the followers do. it's no secret that christians are imperfect and sinners, but dont blame the guy who sent them. the bible nor jesus justify any of that. in islam on the other hand, the quran says to cut off hands and is always talking about killing people for Allah. that's explict in the quran. there's also the ideas that in that religion, you should cut off heads, and you will get tons of virgins when you die. i mean, to me this is self evidently not a religion from the God of the NDE or a God of love or the science of meaning and purpose. you are engaging in falst equivalencies here. what say you?
i still encourage you to puruse my profile of threads, cause i have lots of NDE evidence. you bring up none of it, so i assume you are ignorant or unwilling or unable to engage in it. if you want source data, look in my profile, but here is an over view for simplicity sake...
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Check out the book ‘evidence for the afterlife’ by Dr Jeffrey long. It includes, among other things…
Objective though not fool proof studies on out of body experiences. More than one scientific study has concluded that when out of body experiences occur, they are almost always ‘accurate or at least consistent with reality’. sometimes the description of what happened while the person was dead, couldn’t have been known to them, or at least the things described are consistent with what happened. if someone just guesses what happens out of their body, they are almost always off… it’s actually very hard to guess accurately. there are lots of case studies, like the pam reynolds case, or random examples like seeing a pair of shoes on the window ledge of another room in the hospital. plus, there’s the AWARE study, where one person had auditory experience while dead, and another person had a description of the operation that was consistent with reality. as is often said, all it takes is one black swan to prove that black swans exist.., if anyone is describing something impossible to know, that’s evidence for out of body experiences being accurate, and evidence of the afterlife by extension.
Evidence of people who were blind seeing for the first time during their experience. They struggle to come to grips with their experience as would a new born.
Communication on the other side is almost always telepathic. If this was just hallucination, why don’t folks experience verbal and other forms of communication? I dont know how a skeptic could explain this away, i dont know other ways to interpret this.
Earth beings met on the other side r almost always dead relatives. If this was just hallucination why r not they seeing living relatives or living non relatives or dead non relatives a lot more? i understand there might be something special about family and the associations with the deceased, but this is still more evidence than not evidence. you would think people would be hallucinating someone like taylor swift a lot more.
On basic philosophy, think about what people are experiencing: coherent and elaborate afterlife stories, that are more real than their earthly lives and they have no doubt about with no fear of death, and the common themes like light beings, life reviews, tunnels, deceased loved ones, God etc. Drugs dreams and other hallucinations don’t cause these elaborate afterlife stories with those common themes anywhere else. Why would dying out of all possibilities cause all this? if evolution or natural selection could explain it, that’d be one thing, but as far as i can tell those dont explain it.
what we end up with, is evidence so plain as day staring us in the face yet skeptic pretend there’s not even evidence for the afterlife to begin with.
