Jesus Is Not God

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" is a pivotal Bible verse from John 1:14 (ESV), signifying the Christian doctrine of the Incarnation, where God the Son (the "Word" or Logos) took on human nature as Jesus Christ, living physically among humanity, revealing God's glory, grace, and truth. This concept means God bridged the divine-human gap, becoming fully God and fully man, to dwell with people as God once dwelt in the Tabernacle, demonstrating His presence and redeeming humanity. 

Key Meanings

1. The Word (Logos): 
2. Refers to Jesus as the eternal expression of God, present from creation. 
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4. Became Flesh (Sarx): 
5. Jesus took on human form, experiencing human life, emotions, and limitations. 
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7. Dwelt Among Us: 
8. Translated from Greek as "tabernacled," meaning God's presence, once confined to a tent, now resided in Jesus, making Him Emmanuel ("God with us"). 
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10. Glory, Grace, and Truth: 
11. In Jesus, people witnessed the unique, glorious presence of God, full of divine love (grace) and faithfulness (truth). 
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Significance

1. Incarnation: The core of Christian belief that God became human. 
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3. Reconciliation: Jesus's physical presence and life, culminating in His sacrifice, bridge the separation between God and humanity caused by sin. 
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5. Revelation: Jesus's life reveals God's nature and character directly to the world. 

Are you seriously making the claim that the Bible never claimed Jesus was God?

man this is some Bart Ehrman crap right here

Even Bart Ehrman never goes as far as this.

Gods beget gods. Fish beget fish. "Son of God," then, is a literal statement, descriptive of Christ. Just as "Son of man," is descriptive of God being a man. A holy man , but a male of the human species. Does God have DNA? Being a living being, I dare say he does, and that Jesus, then, carried more than the DNA of Mary. The fact is, that which we call parthenogenesis is a female organism giving birth without sex with a male, which is possible in some species we know of, and we also know that the product of parthenogenesis is always a female offspring, not male. But no mammal on Earth is capable of the process, including humans. And, by the way, men cannot get pregnant. Therefore, Mary did not give birth by parthenogenesis, sometimes called "virgin birth," even in science with no reference to Mary. The Bible says Gabriel told Mary "...the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee..." [Luke 1: 35 KJV]. You interpret that as you will, but it was not descriptive of parthenogenesis. Luke may have merely been writing euphemistically, or was translated as such, but I suspect God knows what DNA is, and how it is transmitted generation-to-generation. Noah's ark, for example, may have just been a DNA bank of the species then on Earth, with God's laboratory knowledge granted to Noah and family for collection, storage, and proper care in transit from wherever they were to wherever they went.

Jesus is God and worshipped as a God by 2 billion Christian’s. The Jews denied Jesus as the promised Messiah and have been struggling for their existence ever since. Learn from their history.

To date, that has proved a difficult lesson. I blame the Romans, though it could have been any empire, I suppose, which decided to occupy Israel, because Israel, then, expected a proper "messiah" would raise his arm and wipe Rome from the Earth. Thus Christ's [translated] rhetoric of coming to sew discord between homes and families. I say "translated" because I am not convinced that was his true rhetoric, but we do not have an original document to consult, and, translation, being the failure it is since that activity is typically merely a dictionary-to-dictionary comparison, and no language shares an exact lexicon [word list] with another, "translation" is a compromise, sometimes with deliberate intent of deception, and often innocent ignorance.

The Jews were worse off without Jesus whom they denied. The Romans went on the destroy the holy temple and drive the Jews out of their homeland. The Jews were further punished by the Holocaust while the worship of Jesus continued to grow.

well that's a new low then lol

Sometimes atheists do slip too much of the truth out

Prominent New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman firmly accepts the historicity of Jesus, arguing that a real Jewish man named Jesus existed in the 1st century, preached, taught, and was crucified, despite finding the Gospel narratives embellished with legendary elements; he wrote his book Did Jesus Exist? specifically to counter mythicist claims. While acknowledging a "historical core," Ehrman uses historical-critical methods to differentiate reliable facts from later Christian traditions, emphasizing that the consensus among nearly all scholars is that Jesus was a real person, even if his life's details are debated. 

The opposition to Jesus even existing comes from people not wanting God's judgment. No one ever calls into question the historicity of others as much as they do with Jesus.

Jesus is God and worshipped as a God by 2 billion Christian’s.

Your appealing to numbers proves nothing al all,

The Jews denied Jesus as the promised Messiah

That may well be because he didn't fulfil a single requirement of what was expected of a messiah . And, incidentally, Jesus didn't fulfil any of the promises made by god either.

 Learn from their history.

You aught to learn your bible.

Jesus was crucified by the Romans before he could complete his mission. The Romans realized their mistake and restored Christianity by establishing the Roman Catholic Church to continue with Jesus’s mission and to await his return.

Jesus was crucified by the Romans before he could complete his mission. The Romans realized their mistake and restored Christianity by establishing the Roman Catholic Church to continue with Jesus’s mission and to await his return.

"Restored"!!!??

The idea of Christianity didn't even exist while Jesus was supposed to have been walking the earth. Stop making shite up!!!

Sound to me like the failed mission of a very much human being and not an almighty all singing all dancing god!

How did this all singing all dancing god allow himself to even be taken prisoner in the first place before the mission was completed!?

And there are many, many, many, verses in the BIBLE that tell us that god always keeps his promises. But none of the promises that he - GOD - made to Mary "blessed among all women" came to fruition did they? What kind of god fails to hold up his promises? Or are all those BIBLICAL promises said to have been made by god all the maitakes and mistranslations of fallible man?

Christianity started in the first century CE in the Roman province of judea, emerging from Second Temple Judaism following the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. His followers initially a small Jewish sect, began spreading his teachings , leading to the gradual separation of Christianity from Judaism as more Gentiles joined the movement in the 2nd century.

Christianity started in the first century CE in the Roman province of judea, emerging from Second Temple Judaism following the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. His followers initially a small Jewish sect, began spreading his teachings , leading to the gradual separation of Christianity from Judaism as more Gentiles joined the movement in the 2nd century.

So nothing was there in the first instance to "restore" was there?

and once again you have dodged my questions

You said the idea of Christianity didn’t even exist while Jesus was supposed to have been walking the earth.

reply: Christianity started in the first century CE in the Roman province of Judea emerging from the Second Temple Judaism following the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was the central figure in Christianity.

God’s promise to Mary was fulfilled. Today Jesus is worshipped as a God by over 2 billion Christians.

You said the idea of Christianity didn’t even exist while Jesus was supposed to have been walking the earth.

That's correct, I did in both senses. Jesus was a full blown Jew and only ever quoted the Hebrew god and the Hebrew book/s that'll be the first 5 books of the BIBLE known to us as the Pentateuch (2) CE is an abbreviation for Common Era. It means the same as AD (Anno Domini) Jesus did not preach "Christianity". Jesus would have been appalled that you were and and till are, calling him "God" ! Further he woul have also been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name.

reply: Christianity started in the first century CE in the Roman province of Judea emerging from the Second Temple Judaism following the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was the central figure in Christianity.

That's Correct FOLLOWING and not while he was alive. So the rest of the Jesus story was all made up well after his supposed "resurrection"

God’s promise to Mary was fulfilled.

Nope. In no way was a single one of those predictions made to Mary "blessed among all women" fulfilled.

Today Jesus is worshipped as a God by over 2 billion Christians.

And appealing to numbers doesn't mean a damn thing. As of 2020-2025, there are approximately 2 billion Muslims worldwide does this then mean that Allah is the one true god and does it also mean the Mohammad was a prophet sent and spoken to by god keeping in mind that Muslims do not believe Jesus is a god ?

While Jesus was still on earth he told his disciples to spread his word to all the world. That was the start of Christianity based on Jesus as the central figure.

Mark 16:15

He said to them,”Go into all the world and preach the good news to everyone.

islam is a competing religion. But they fall short in offering salvation or a physical God like Jesus. Their prophet Mohammad was an illiterate trader who imagined the entire spiritual revelation in a cave alone with an angel.

While Jesus was still on earth he told his disciples to spread his word to all the world. That was the start of Christianity based on Jesus as the central figure.

Mark 16:15

He said to them,”Go into all the world and preach the good news to everyone.

Yes this is what is known as the great commission. So what? It doesn't say go out into the world a preach a brand new religion called Christianity

You do realise that not a single time does the word Christian or Christianity get the slightest mention in any of the gospels. Jesus was a Jew, get over it. He came to unite the Jewish tribes and he failed. He also failed didn't bring peace to the earth as promised. He failed to free the Jews from the roman yoke as was expected of a messiah and he failed to rebuild the temple too.

Learn your bible.

The message that Jesus asked his disciples to spread were his words and not Judaism.

john 8:12. I am the light of the world signifying he is divine source of spiritual truth, guidance and life, offering to lead people out of spiritual darkness and sin into salvation if they followed him.

john 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life.No one comes to the Father except through me.

These were not teaching of Judaism by Jesus but teachings of a new beginning what was called Christianity with Jesus Christ as its central figure.

Jesus was more than a Messiah sent to save the Jews , he was sent to save the world. The world accepted his message and embraced Christianity.

Stephen wrote:

You do realise that not a single time does the word Christian or Christianity get the slightest mention in any of the gospels. Jesus was a Jew, get over it. He came to unite the Jewish tribes and he failed. He also failed didn't bring peace to the earth as promised. He failed to free the Jews from the roman yoke as was expected of a messiah and he failed to rebuild the temple too.

Learn your bible.

Debby wrote: These were not teaching of Judaism by Jesus but teachings of a new beginning what was called Christianity with Jesus Christ as its central figure.

Oh PLEEEASe!!!. Jesus did nothing but quote and or elude to the Old Testament in his teachings. Are you now trying to tell us the the OT was also a Christian idea? What did Jesus read from when he gave a sermon in the temple? What scripture was Jesus explaining in Luke20? neither could have been from the NT now could it?

Jesus’s message is viewed as a significant deviation from 1st-century Judaism by many , particularly regarding his self-identity, his interpretation of religious law, and the shift in focus from national redemption to universal salvation. While Jesus was a Jew who lived and died within Jewish tradition, his teachings often challenged the religious authorities of his time, creating a split that eventually formed a new , distinct religion.

I will agree that Jesus Christ was not God in the sense that he was God the Son. The bible refers to the body as a "holy thing" that "shall be called the Son of God" in Luke 1:35. Jesus was a vehicle for the Spirit to dwell in and to use. How that union worked together is what I would refer to Paul's teaching as the "mystery of Godliness" 1 Tim 3:16.

Why did Jesus cry out to God on the cross if he himself was God? Jesus was still flesh and blood like all of us and had to obey all the laws that we do too. Such as praying to God for deliverance. Whenever Jesus was on the Earth, he never claimed to be God nor did he decide to take any divine credit. In fact, when a man came to him and called him "good master" he deflected the response and said "there is none good but God". Mark 10:18

So, why do Christians claim that Jesus is God? Most Christians believe in a false idea called the Trinity, which, as you said, came from the council of Nicaea. This was a false idea spurred by the pagan beliefs of the regions around them and incorporated by the pastors of the churches. Paul called it a time of ravenous wolves. (acts 20:29) This Trinitarian belief has ruined many of the minds of Christians and non-Christians alike by presenting God as three persons AND making the Son and the Father one and the same, which they are not. Jesus Christ will eventually be put aside after everything is done and over with. (1 Cor 15) BUT for now, he has been given all power (Matt 28:18) and that power is not referring to divinity, but rather to the authority of his name through salvation.

Direct claims of Jesus identifying as God appear most explicitly in the last written Gospel, John, whereas earlier Gospels focus more on his human ministry and divine authority. John 1:1.

Direct claims of Jesus identifying as God appear most explicitly in the last written Gospel, John, whereas earlier Gospels focus more on his human ministry and divine authority. John 1:1.

True to an extent. John himself who knew Jesus first hand and received the promise from God (The Holy Ghost) understood the role of Jesus Christ in the whole plan of God, BUT Jesus never said he was God. He was one with his father, if you seen him you have seen the father, etc, but a direct claim to be God did not happen. This is because "no flesh shall glory in His presence". 1 Cor 1:29 There was a constant shying away from any claims of God when it was brought to him. He DID claim, however, that he was the messiah.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

john 1:14. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

The WORD was God, The Word became flesh (Jesus) and made his dwelling among us. All refer to Jesus as the Word.

Bad AI!

That is straight from the Bible. The most quoted verse from the Gospel of John linking Jesus to God.