Are atheists mid to high IQ? Highest IQ people believe in God

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#31 •••

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#32 •••

Yes, high IQ people believe in God, but studies often show a slight negative correlation between higher intelligence and religiosity, meaning highly intelligent individuals are, on average, a bit less likely to be deeply religious than the general population, though many still are, and belief is a complex mix of intellect, experience, and culture, not purely rational. Smart people hold diverse views, with some finding faith through reason (Deism, Pantheism) or personal experience, while others reject faith due to lack of empirical evidence, but intellect doesn't prevent belief.  


Key Findings & Perspectives

  1. Negative Correlation: 
  2. Meta-analyses of studies suggest a weak link where higher IQ scores often correlate with lower religiosity. 

  3. Not a Rule: 
  4. This is an average trend, not a predictor for individuals; many highly intelligent people (scientists, philosophers) are deeply religious. 

  5. Varying Beliefs: 
  6. Smart believers often lean towards more nuanced spiritual views (like Deism or Pantheism) rather than strict literal interpretations of religious texts, or find ways for faith and science to coexist. 

  7. Beyond IQ: 
  8. Personal experience, culture, emotional needs, and moral frameworks heavily influence belief, often more than raw intelligence alone. 

  9. Reasons for Non-Belief: 
  10. Some smart individuals find scientific explanations sufficient, see contradictions in religious doctrines, or believe there's a lack of evidence for God. 

In essence, high intelligence doesn't preclude belief in God, but it can lead to more critical engagement with religious claims, resulting in diverse spiritual paths or outright disbelief for some. 


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#33 •••
@SatanLucy

Nope, he didn't explain the beginning, he simply referred to the obvious state of matter relative to a process, wherein we can substitute starting point with a variety of words such as God, Dave, Britney, Whooosh, Kaboom, Filppertyflopperty etc.


The beginning eludes us, even me with an IQ of 1273.5.

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#34 •••

Odd then that some of the smartest people lack basic common-sense.

Maybe because common sense produces the right result? I believe these kind of people are referred to as "clever sillies".

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#35 •••
@Stephen

Yes, tis true Stephen...Very clever people also do stupid stuff.


Look at SatanLucy, who claims to have the Worlds highest IQ.


Need I say more.


Other than, have a lovely day.

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#36 •••
@SergeantLynch
Nope, he didn't explain the beginning


He did, he said God is beginning.

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#37 •••
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Yes, he has highest IQ in the world, and he is Christian who believes in Jesus Christ.

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#38 •••
@SatanLucy

I seem to remember a reference to a start.


But not the beginning.


All events start if the potential exists.


But all potential needs a beginning...Even GOD.


Because if GOD doesn't need a beginning, then everything doesn't need a beginning.

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#39 •••
@SergeantLynch
But all potential needs a beginning...Even GOD.


this was already answered like 1000 times.

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#40 •••
@SatanLucy


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" is the famous opening line of the Gospel of John (John 1:1), a central verse in Christianity that introduces Jesus Christ as the divine "Word" (Logos in Greek), pre-existent with God and the very agent of creation, who later became flesh and lived among humans. This phrase signifies Jesus's divine nature, eternal presence before creation, and role as God's ultimate revelation to humanity, connecting with philosophical ideas of reason and order (Logos) and the creative power of God's spoken word in Genesis. 

Key Meanings & Interpretations:

  1. Identity of the Word (Logos): In Christian theology, "the Word" is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God himself and co-creator.
  2. Pre-existence: It establishes Jesus's existence before the universe began, existing eternally with God.
  3. Divine Nature: The phrase "the Word was God" asserts Jesus's divinity and oneness with God.
  4. Revelation: The Word is God's ultimate expression, message, and self-revelation to humanity, made tangible in Jesus.
  5. Connection to Creation: It echoes the Genesis account where God speaks things into existence, linking Jesus to the creative act. 

Context in John's Gospel:

  1. Distinct Introduction: Unlike other Gospels, John starts with this theological prologue, going back before Jesus's earthly life to establish his divine origin.
  2. Fulfillment: The Word later becomes "flesh" (incarnated) and dwells among people, fulfilling God's plan. 


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#41 •••
@SatanLucy

So Mr IQ, you answer it, just to clarify for me.

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#42 •••

I did

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#43 •••
@SergeantLynch

You got your beginning. Read post #40.

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#44 •••
@Debby, @SatanLucy

That's a very naive MANGOD hypothesis Debs.


Doesn't explain the beginning of material existence.


If a MANGOD exists, then explain it's beginning.


To suggest that a MANGOD doesn't need a beginning, is "profoundly" naive and arrogant...And both you and Lucy know this.


Which isn't to say out of hand, that a super-intelligent universal being didn't "start" things off on Planet Earth...Such is a reasonable hypothesis...Albeit a logistically improbable one, given that universal material development is likely to have been synchronous.

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#45 •••
@SergeantLynch
If a MANGOD exists, then explain it's beginning.


It was already explained in theory of existence. All options which explain existence lead to God existing as well.

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#46 •••
@SatanLucy

God is the creator of the universe.

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#47 •••
@Debby, @SatanLucy

No they do not.


GOD is conceptual and hypothetical, and occurs as a thought.


GOD can be many different thoughts.


IQ boy proved absolutely zilch.



We assume that there was a universal cause, and that hypothetical cause can be loosely regarded as a GOD principle... Though GOD was derived from an intelligent organisms imagination many billions of years after the hypothetical causal event.

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#48 •••
@SergeantLynch

Explaining everything through God means 

seeing Him as the ultimate source, sustainer, and purpose of all existence, encompassing creation, events (good and bad), and our lives, with concepts like divine sovereignty, omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence framing reality as part of His greater, often mysterious, design, a belief common across Christianity (God's will), Islam (Allah's awareness), and Hinduism (Brahman), where even suffering serves a divine purpose or reveals God's larger plan. 

Key Concepts

  1. Source & Sustainer: God is the origin (from Him) and continues to hold everything in being (through Him).
  2. Purpose: All things ultimately exist for Him and will conclude in Him (to Him).
  3. Sovereignty: God's will governs all events, even seemingly random or evil ones, integrating them into His larger design.
  4. Omni-attributes: God is all-powerful (omnipotent), all-knowing (omniscient), and present everywhere (omnipresent), understanding and controlling all.
  5. Divine Perspective: Humans often miss the big picture, but God sees how even hardship (suffering, evil) can be worked for a greater good or to build faith. 

Examples Across Faiths

  1. Christianity (Bible): "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (John 1:3). Colossians 1:16 emphasizes creation through and for Christ. Romans 8:28 speaks of all things working together for good for those who love God.
  2. Islam: Allah knows and is aware of everything, visible and hidden, with nothing beyond His knowledge.
  3. Hinduism: The universe is a manifestation of one supreme being, Brahman, with diverse deities reflecting aspects of this ultimate reality. 

How it Explains "Everything"

  1. Creation: God brings everything into existence (Cosmology).
  2. History & Events: God's sovereign will directs or permits all happenings, from personal struggles to natural disasters.
  3. Morality: God defines good and evil, and even evil acts ultimately fit into His greater plan, serving His glory or enabling spiritual growth.
  4. Human Life: Our purpose is found in Him, and we find strength in Him to overcome impossibilities. 


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#49 •••
@Debby

So why isn't your GOD omni-sensible.


Why create a being in ones own image and then treat it like an absolute fu*king twat.


All that proves is that your GOD is either just having a laugh or is just being a right fu*king cu*t.



Like I stated, men clearly made GODS in their own image...Stupid naive fu*kers as they were...And some people have inherited that stupidity.


No offence Debs...It's just the way that generational data transfer goes.



NB. In this instance, pseudo expletives were used only for satirical effect.

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#50 •••
@SergeantLynch

If you were created in Satan’s image you would be a sperm collector instead.

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#51 •••
@Debby

I'm not sure that the above statement is either relevant or sensible.


Though in terms of theistic and deistic development, I would suggest that both GOD and Satan were simply humanesque folktale characters representative of human emotion and behaviour...As such Satan was also created in mans own image....Though for sure, mythical characters can be developed into any preferred image.


I quite like the shiny tight red catsuit and very big horns look....Even better in woman's own image...Sort of an 18 to 35 very fit woman.


Do you fit the bill Debs?

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#52 •••
@SergeantLynch

Yes, according to Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Judaism, Islam), God created the being who became Satan (originally Lucifer), but Satan was initially a good, powerful angel who chose to rebel out of pride, falling from grace and becoming the adversary. God didn't create evil as an entity but created beings with free will, and Satan's choice to turn from God's purpose brought evil into the world, with God ultimately allowing this for greater purposes, like testing free will and allowing humanity to choose good.  


Key Points from Religious Texts & Teachings:

  1. Created Good: 
  2. Satan, originally Lucifer, was a high-ranking, beautiful angel created by God and was blameless at his creation, not inherently evil. 

  3. Free Will & Rebellion: 
  4. Like humans, angels were given free will; Satan used his to become proud, wanting to be like God, leading a rebellion against Him. 

  5. Fell from Grace: 
  6. This rebellion resulted in Satan and other fallen angels being cast out of heaven. 

  7. The Adversary: 
  8. The name "Satan" means "Adversary" or "Accuser," reflecting his new role opposing God and tempting humanity (Adam and Eve). 

  9. God's Plan: 
  10. God, being all-knowing, knew Satan would rebel but permitted it as part of a larger plan involving free choice, ultimately allowing for genuine love and faith to be demonstrated, with Jesus's victory over Satan promised. 

In essence, God created a perfect being (Lucifer) who chose to become evil (Satan) through rebellion, rather than creating evil itself.


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#53 •••
@Debby

Hmmmm.


Beautiful, pert, long legged, tight red latex catsuit, horns optional.


Naughty GOD.



NB... I am firmly of the opinion that Angels are female...But thanks to Judeo-Arabian inspired sexism, Gabrielle had her name shortened, and Lucy had hers lengthened...Such was a sin.

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#54 •••
@SergeantLynch

While the view that angels are female is a popular sentiment, particularly in modern art, culture, and certain spiritual interpretations, it differs from traditional interpretations within the major Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam)

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Here is a breakdown of the various viewpoints regarding the gender of angels:

Traditional View: Genderless or Male

  1. Christianity: Angels are considered non-corporeal, spiritual beings, and therefore, do not technically have a gender. However, in the Bible, angels are consistently referred to using masculine pronouns ("he," "him") and almost always appear in human form as men. Jesus stated in Matthew 22:30 that in the resurrection, people will be "like the angels in heaven" who neither marry nor are given in marriage, implying a lack of biological gender [1.6].
  2. Islam: Angels are believed to be genderless creatures created from light. They do not eat, drink, or reproduce, which are characteristics associated with beings that have sex. The Quran specifically rejects the pre-Islamic belief that angels are daughters of God.
  3. Judaism: Similar to other traditions, angels in the Torah are typically depicted as without gender. Some kabbalistic teachings might view them as androgynous or as possessing both male and female energies, but they are generally not classified as biologically female. 

Reasons for the Female Representation

Despite the masculine language in scripture, the perception of angels as female has become prominent in culture for several reasons: 

  1. Art and Symbolism: In Western art, angels are often portrayed as androgynous, beardless, and eternally youthful. Over time, this evolved into imagery that often looks specifically female, emphasizing qualities of serenity, nurturing, and non-threatening beauty.
  2. Energy and Qualities: Some contemporary spiritual beliefs focus on the "energy" of angels rather than their literal form. In this context, specific archangels are associated with feminine energy, such as Jophiel (beauty) or Haniel (intuition).
  3. Pagan Influence: Some scholars suggest that the depiction of female angels may have been influenced by ancient pagan traditions that featured winged female deities or messengers. 

Notable Scriptural Exception

While angels are generally described as male, there is one notable, complex passage in Zechariah 5:9 where the prophet sees "two women, with the wind in their wings!". However, these beings are often interpreted in the context of a vision symbolizing wickedness rather than as standard, holy ministering angels. 

Summary: While they are technically considered spiritual, sexless beings in traditional theology, they are overwhelmingly depicted as male in biblical text, and often depicted as female in art and popular culture. 


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#55 •••
@Debby

Very interesting.


And my interpretation is as it is.

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#56 •••
@SergeantLynch

Try reading the post.


  1. Christianity: Angels are considered non-corporeal, spiritual beings, and therefore, do not technically have a gender. However, in the Bible, angels are consistently referred to using masculine pronouns ("he," "him") and almost always appear in human form as men. Jesus stated in Matthew 22:30 that in the resurrection, people will be "like the angels in heaven" who neither marry nor are given in marriage, implying a lack of biological gender [1.6].
  2. Islam: Angels are believed to be genderless creatures created from light. They do not eat, drink, or reproduce, which are characteristics associated with beings that have sex. The Quran specifically rejects the pre-Islamic belief that angels are daughters of God.
  3. Judaism: Similar to other traditions, angels in the Torah are typically depicted as without gender. Some kabbalistic teachings might view them as androgynous or as possessing both male and female energies, but they are generally not classified as biologically female. 


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#57 •••
@Debby

Yes three versions of angelic characters featured in religious mythologies.


And like I said, I have another more up to date version.

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#58 •••
@SergeantLynch

Are you creating a new religion.

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#59 •••
@Debby

Well, latex catsuits have been around for a while.


As has the appreciation of the juxtaposition of the latex catsuit and it's appropriate contents, relative to the appreciation and worshipful appreciation of said appropriate contents.

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#60 •••
@SergeantLynch

That is certainly not a new religion. You are making a fashion statement.

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