What should we make of the fact the bible characters thought the end was near?

You are repeating an answered question.

was it (A) Simon or(B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (Joh 19:17) but due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha.(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind that you cannot even follow simple Bible facts or verses.

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You are repeating an answered question.

Stephen wrote @Debby: was it (A) Simon or(B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

I asked you a billion times to answer this question above and is all you have managed to do is obfuscate as you have once again

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Thicky sly Debby wrote:

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (Joh 19:17) but due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha.(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind that you cannot even follow simple Bible facts or verses.

So lets go by the what bible. says; But remember the question thicko.>>> Who carried the cross>>>>>>> to Golgotha?<<<<<<<

And it hasn't gone unnoticed by me that you are being sly again because you don't understand or cannot read, or both. ..

SO. You know only one of these gospel writer can be correct. So I shall point them out so that everyone reading here can see how thick and sly you really are when caught on the back foot.

THE BIBLE SAYS>> [Jesus] Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). John19:17

THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS>> And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus., Luke23:26 . Mark and Matthew agree.

So who carried the cross to >>>.Golgotha<<<, You idiot? Jesus didn't carry his own cross to Golgotha, did he? It was Simon wasn't, you illiterate clown ?

But he's quick to tell us that we should take up and bare our " own cross", isn't he?

So who carried the cross to >>>Golgotha<<<.

The bible answers your question with supporting verses.

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross, (John 19:17). But due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha .

(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind. You cannot even follow simple Bible verses that answer your repeated question.

The reason you have two different answers is because two different people carried the cross to Golgotha, Jesus and Simon of Cyrene.

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind.

And is all you have proven "Debby" is your onw inability to read anything for yourself.

I had to read the Bible to answer your questions. Only the Bible has a record of what Jesus went through during his time. As a Christian it is expected of you to read the Bible and be inspired and guided.

I had to read the Bible to answer your questions.

And are still incapable of answering an easy theological question even when pointed in the right direction AND when you reach for your untrustworthy, unreliable AI.

You need to remember that, just like you, AI cannot and does not understand anything, and also like you AI doesn't think for itself. . It simply repeats the most favoured / popular response

. As a Christian it is expected of you to read the Bible and be inspired and guided.

Its expected of you too.

I have admitted to being non-practicing Christian, which doesn't mean I have never read the bible and only someone as pig ignorant as yourself will believe so.

You are asking question which you believe the Bible does not answer. But I have answered your question repeatedly using the Bible and even providing relevant verses. This only shows how much you have regressed as a non practicing Christian controlled by Satan.

Fortunately I am very well versed in the Bible and have take up theological studies to help misguided people like you who are guided by Satan.

I have answered your question

I never once suggested the answer was not in the bible. STOP LYING AGAIN!!!

So nope, go back and read above you absolute clown. I had to point the fact out to you that only one could be correct and then proceeded to show to the correct answer because you were far too dumb to notice it.

question which you believe the Bible does not answer.

And yes the answer is in the bible And I never once suggested otherwise.

I had to point the fact out to you that only one could be correct and then proceed to show to the correct answer because you were too dumb to notice it.

What you saw as a contradiction was actually both people carrying the cross at different times which the Bible fully explains.

jesus initially carried his own cross (John 19:17) it due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha. Details in verses (Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26, Mark 15:21).

The Bible covers the same event but at different times by different persons. Both are correct answers, two people carried the cross to Golgotha.

Read your Bible carefully. You are being controlled by Satan.

What you saw as a contradiction was actually both people carrying the cross

You just cannot admit it can you? Indeed they did take turns but only one carried it to Golgotha. As I have shown you time and time again.

Nuances : I warned you about nuances and how important the are. i.e the Devil is in the detail.

indeed they did take turns, but only one carried it to Golgotha.

You finally accepted they both took turns carrying the cross to Golgotha. Jesus was too exhausted from torture to carry it all the way himself and Simon of Cyrene was compelled to help Jesus carry the cross the rest of the was to Golgotha.

The Devil hid the details from you even though the verses provided clearly point to their joint effort carrying the cross to Golgotha.

you lack the education to read with comprehension and you are also controlled by Satan that increases your ignorance. You will end up in hell.

You finally accepted they both took turns 

I do, and have never denied that biblical fact stupid. But I will still stand by the biblical fact the Jesus DID NOT carry his cross all the way to Golgotha. because the BIBLE states clearly that it was Simon that carried it to Golgotha and NOT Jesus..

Look thicko, you lost the argument. Accept it, and move on you absolute bible dunce. Or do you want to carry on going around with you childish roundabout?

I said it from the beginning they both took turns carrying the cross to Golgotha. In the beginning it was Jesus, but he was exhausted from the torture and could not Complete the task . The Roman soldiers compelled Simipon of Cyrene to help Jesus carry the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha. The verse I listed provided the details. (Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26, Mark 15:21.

Finally you accept it was a joint effort as described in my quotes. Your reading skills have to improve so does your lost faith. It might be too late already considering how you have been attacking the Bible over the last few months.

I said it from the beginning they both took turns

Nope. Go back and read what you wrote. When I first asked you, you was adamant the it was Jesus that carried the cross to Golgotha. I told he didn't because only one of the statements could be true. It was only after you were forced to go read it properly for yourself that you said that "both" carried the cross. Yet even that was wrong. AGAIN!! LOL

Just admit it thicko, you were wrong, and that you have never read you bible until challenged. You know fk all.

In post# 58 you asked: “ok just so we are clear, was it (A) Simon or (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?”

In post#59 my reply was: “ According to the Gospel both carried the cross at different times, Jesus initially carried his own cross (John 19:17). But die to exposure from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha. (Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21) are the verses that provide the details of Simon carrying the cross for Jesus. So both took turns carrying the cross to Golgotha. That was some 14 posts ago.

Which clearly states that it was Simon and not Jesus.

Which clearly states that it was Simon not Jesus.

It was Jesus that was crucified not Simon. It was standard practice for the condemned person to carry the cross to the site of execution. It was Jesus who was condemned to be crucified.

we are told that Jesus carried the cross for part of the way to Golgotha. When Jesus was no longer able to bear the weight of the cross due to exhaustion from torture, the Romans forced Simon of Cyrene to carry it the rest of the way.That is the Bible explanation. Read your Bible.

It was Jesus that was crucified not Simon. 

I don't believe that I have even suggested that it wasn't Jesus. But since you mentioned it, I do know of many prominent ex members of the clergy have suggested as such..

It was Jesus that was crucified. It was standard practice for the condemned person to carry the cross the the site of the crucifixion. It was Jesus who was condemned to be crucified and therefore had to carry his cross to the site of the crucifixion.

we are told that Jesus carried the cross part of the way to Golgotha. When Jesus was no longer able to ear the weight of the cross due to exhaustion from torture, the Romans forced Simon of Cyrene to carry it the rest of the way . That is the Bible explanation. Read your Bible and stop guessing.

 the Romans forced Simon of Cyrene to carry it the rest of the way . [ To Golgotha]

Indeed.

So you finally agree Simon carried the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha. After Jesus was exhausted from torture and could not continue carrying the cross to Golgotha. The Romans compelledSimon of Cyrene to help Jesus carry the cross the rest of the way. The Bible describes both of them carrying the cross at different times. Read John 19:17, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 and Mark 15:21.

So you finally agree Simon carried the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha.

I have never once said otherwise, you fkn idiot!

Yes, they were some right nasties those Romans...And then they invented Catholicism.

And for sure, I'm guessing that his "ear" got quite sore rubbing against the rough cross.

So you finally agree Simon carried the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha.

I have never once said otherwise, you fkn idiot!

So I was right. You are a liar.

Here you are saying Jesus did not carry the cross, Simon did.

So who carried the cross to >>>.Golgotha<<<, You idiot? Jesus didn't carry his own cross to Golgotha, did he? It was Simon wasn't, you illiterate clown ?

It was Jesus that was crucified. It was standard practice for the condemned person to carry the cross the the site of the crucifixion. It was Jesus who was condemned to be crucified and therefore had to carry his cross to the site of the crucifixion.

we are told that Jesus carried the cross part of the way to Golgotha. When Jesus was no longer able to ear the weight of the cross due to exhaustion from torture, the Romans forced Simon of Cyrene to carry it the rest of the way . That is the Bible explanation. Read your Bible and stop guessing.

So you finally agree Simon carried the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha. After Jesus was exhausted from torture and could not continue carrying the cross to Golgotha. The Romans compelledSimon of Cyrene to help Jesus carry the cross the rest of the way. The Bible describes both of them carrying the cross at different times. Read John 19:17, Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 and Mark 15:21.

Why keep on!?? are you fk mental?

I have said from the beginning that Simon carried the cross to Golgotha. I'm not interested in who carried it part the way first. This is why I highlighted the contradiction between John's gospel and the other three gospels.

So we can leave this one here.

I have said from the beginning that Simon carried the cross to Golgotha. I'm not interested in who carried it part the way first. This is why I highlighted the contradiction between John's gospel and the other three gospels.

So we can leave this one here.

That is a lie. Read what you posted .

So who carried the cross to >>>.Golgotha<<<, You idiot? Jesus didn't carry his own cross to Golgotha, did he? It was Simon wasn't, you illiterate clown ?

But I will still stand by the biblical fact the Jesus DID NOT carry his cross all the way to Golgotha. because the BIBLE states clearly that it was Simon that carried it to Golgotha and NOT Jesus..

When I first asked you, you was adamant the it was Jesus that carried the cross to Golgotha. I told he didn't because only one of the statements could be true. It was only after you were forced to go read it properly for yourself that you said that "both" carried the cross. Yet even that was wrong. AGAIN!! LOL

In post#59 my reply was: “ According to the Gospel both carried the cross at different times, Jesus initially carried his own cross (John 19:17). But die to exposure from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha. (Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21) are the verses that provide the details of Simon carrying the cross for Jesus. So both took turns carrying the cross to Golgotha. That was some 14 posts ago.

Which clearly states that it was Simon and not Jesus.

You are not willing to accept the Bible explanation.

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross, (John 19:17). But due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha .

(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind. You cannot even follow simple Bible verses that answer your repeated question.

The reason you have two different answers is because two different people carried the cross to Golgotha, Jesus and Simon of Cyrene.

I'm not interested in who carried it part the way first.

But According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross, (John 19:17). But due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha .

(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind. You cannot even follow simple Bible verses that answer your repeated question.

The reason you have two different answers is because two different people carried the cross to Golgotha, Jesus and Simon of Cyrene.

And so, by the time they reached Golgotha they both had sore ears.

Can you give the verse which mentions sore ears? There is an important discussion going on and you are trying to make a mockery of Christianity. You declared Religion is not your interest, so why are you interfering with others beliefs in religion.

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It was you who stated that "Jesus was no longer able to ear the weight of the cross".

And Middle Eastern Folk Mythology is important I suppose if you've got nothing better to discuss.

And when it comes to DebateCraft I am indeed very interested in the religious forum and very keen to point out the naivety of archaic Middle Eastern creation and existence hypotheses and the futility of believing that such naive folk tales are wholly based upon provable facts.

It should have read, “Jesus was no longer able to bear the weight of the cross".

sorry for the typo.

so you have become interested in religion after reading my discussions. It should take your mind off discharging to relieve stress.