Haven't you accepted by now that we Christians believe in magical thinking? Im just playin on the label here but thats what it basically amounts to. You can either agree or disagree but either way it is what it is

This proves Jesus had more supernatural powers after his resurrection. The resurrection itself was a demonstration of that power.

From a fictional viewpoint, yes.

Though from a fictional viewpoint, anything is possible.

Typical murder mystery stuff Stephen.

The thirteenth Apostle was known as Agatha.

"Debby" wrote: This proves Jesus had more supernatural powers after his resurrection. The resurrection itself was a demonstration of that power.

OK, now just answer the question. So how did he do it ?

linate wrote: Haven't you accepted by now that we Christians believe in magical thinking? Im just playin on the label[............]

OK, now just answer the question. Which magical power did he use? You see, it appears to be different kind of magic, from his usual MO, doesn't it?

Its not his usual laying on of hand's or simple speaking words, is it? No, this was something quite different. So how did he pull it off, linate ?

If you don't know, just say so? But can I suggest that you actually try just a little bible study of the story before claiming that it was son - of -god , magic.

Typical murder mystery stuff Stephen.

The thirteenth Apostle was known as Agatha.

Nice

Jesus was given more powers after his resurrection. He had earned God’s favour. Besides walking through a closed door he ascended to heaven before a crowd of 500 believers.

Jesus ,the bible says , was resurrected a flesh and blood man.

So how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?

 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”  After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. John 20:19-20. NIV

Ok. How did our boy wonder achieve this feat?

Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, allow me to try to explain it to you.

If true intelligence involves the ability to view and understanding widely different things from multiple different perspectives, an aptitude for grasping a wide range of truths, relationships, and meanings, and the capacity for abstract and symbolic thought, then it follows logically that your repeated insistence that the Bible cannot be understood literally, is an unintelligent claim.

The simple fact is, well over two billion people have been graced with a mind that can grasp the intellectual constructs of the symbolism of Christian spirituality and transcendence, and we understand. You are repeatedly telling us that you are intellectually incapable of understanding such things, which is fine, but it’s not your fault and consequently, there is no reason to be so angry about it all the time.

If you just aren’t intellectually capable of grasping the symbolism of the story that despite the fact that the apostles had locked the door of faith out of fear and doubt, they had an experience of Christ that overcame their fear and doubt, then I just don’t think anyone can dumb it down far enough for you to understand.

There is no reason for you to always get lost in the pettiness and divisiveness of Biblical detail, here is everything a person of your diminished cognitive aptitude really needs to know.

First, the Bible is a book of widely different perspectives utilizing many different literary genres, including history and prophecy, poetry and love songs, allegories and parables, none of which is conducive to any kind of "literal" translation. Try to understand that the authors of the New Testament were not detached biographers or historians, they were writing about their religious experience of Jesus years after his death.

It doesn’t matter that you can’t grasp the symbolic significance of spiritual things like the Incarnation or the Resurrection. All you really need to know is that the things Jesus did and said caused His contemporaries to think of Him in completely new dimensions and that there was something to this man's life that caused those who knew it best to reach the conclusion that it was divine in nature.

Your divisive contentions about whether or not he actually rose from the grave in bodily form just do not matter to me. It is enough for me to know that his spirit jumped dramatically to life after his death and that because of this he gave millions and millions of people hope that they never had before.

Please understand, it’s not my intent to denigrate people who have as low an intellectual capacity as you, and for you and others like you, denigrate mean “put down”.

So Debs, let's get the story straight...Was Jesus a bloke, the son of a creator God, or a God?

Or a bit like Trump and Netanyahu, a bloke that thought he was a GOD.

Jesus was all three. A bloke, so of God and God himself.

john 1:1,14.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

But you just stated that "he earned God's favour".

Jesus was sent on a mission as proof of his divinity. His sacrifice was successful and he was exalted to God.

Jesus was either divine or not divine to start with, or we are all divine and might be exalted after our resurrection.

But in the meantime we are all men, women and children...And/or transsexual...Ah...I see

And like Jesus, US forces, are also on a mission...Do you think that they will be exalted after proving their divinity?

Of course, all that Jesus had to do was talk BS.

Jesus was on a divine mission, and when it turned out successful he was resurrected and exalted . Remember Jesus started out as a humble carpenters son.

There you go again contradicting yourself.

Well for sure, the current state of his Jewish base and regional homeland is turning out successfully...And the intervening years have been a roaring success.

Maybe when his Dad returns he will choose to rape a Canadian virgin...Perhaps they are less volatile than their Jewish cousins...I blame the Mediterranean climate.

And she will bear a daughter, and the divine daughter of God will be named Olivia.

And Olivia's mission will be to right the wrongs of her gay half Brother.

And her mission shall be known as..........

Mission Impossible.

The conclusion is already found in the Book of revelation. You don’t have to reinvent it. Try reading the Bible. Even though hell is a certainty for you.

Jesus was given more powers after his resurrection. He had earned God’s favour. Besides walking through a closed door he ascended to heaven before a crowd of 500 believers.

So you are saying then that Jesus walked through a wall or closed door?

Where in the bible does it tell us that God gave Jesus "more powers"?

  "DEBBY" WROTE @SergeantLynch

Jesus was on a divine mission, and when it turned out successful he was resurrected and exalted . Remember Jesus started out as a humble carpenters son.

He knew a thing or two about wooden doors that were made so you didn't have to open them to enter too, if this BS story is to be believed.

Funny how they will never straight out simply say "he walked through the door" or "he walked through the wall", don't you think, Serge?.

Where in the Bible does it tell us God gave Jesus more powers?

In Matthew 28:18 the recently resurrected Jesus now says that, “ All authority has been given to Me I. Heaven and on earth.

Romans 1:14 ‘He was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead.’

Why don’t you read the Bible? I know you admit you did not receive enough education. But you can’t be struggling to read the Bible. Stop listening to Satan.

Jesus ,the bible says , was resurrected a flesh and blood man.

Sorry, no, the Holy Bible does not say Jesus was resurrected a flesh and blood man. He describes himself [Luke 24: 39] as "flesh and bone."

But the Bible is not intended to be empiric evidence, so, how he, a resurrected being, passed through the walls of the chamber the apostles were in is not described therein, just as the creation in Genesis does not offer empiric description of organization of Earth and Heaven. The purpose of holy writ is not to satisfy Einstein, but to the convincing of all humankind that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

One of its purposes, agreed, John 20. But not the only one. 2 Timothy 3:14-18 suggests that the holy writ is for the formation of mature Christians. Teaching, Rebuking, Correcting, and training in righteousness.

Teaching, Rebuking, Correcting, and training in righteousness.

The ultimate "righteousness" being the perfect knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mine was the second revelation.

The one that prophecised the second coming of the Daughter of GOD.

Why don’t you read the Bible?

I do.

I know you admit you did not receive enough education.

Correct. I believe one can never get enough education.

But you can’t be struggling to read the Bible. Stop listening to Satan.

I have no trouble reading it sunshine. making sense of the jumbled ambiguous ancient mass is another thing completely.

And to listen to you must be like listening to Satan preach from the book. Because you just make it up as you go. And proven time and time again that you know just abut fk all when it comes to your own scripture.

So are you going to give a straight answer? Did Jesus walk through a locked door door or even one the walls?

I didn't miss how to walk through walls. I said [my #22] "the Bible is not intended to be empiric evidence, so, how he, a resurrected being, passed through the walls of the chamber the apostles were in is not described therein, just as the creation in Genesis does not offer empiric description of organization of Earth and Heaven. The purpose of holy writ is not to satisfy Einstein..."

So are you going to give a straight answer? Did Jesus walk through a locked door door or even one the walls?

Since none of us were there. We have to turn to the Bible for answers.

According to John 20:19-26 Jesus appeared in a room where the disciples were hiding with “doors locked” or shut. While the Bible does not explicitly say he walked through a wall, it states “he came and stood among them” despite the locked, physical barriers. This event is commonly understood as the post-resurrection supernatural event.

So yes, Jesus did appear to the disciples even though they were in a locked room.

jesus also ascended to heaven before 500 eye witnesses.

The claim that over 500 people witnessed the resurrected Jesus is found in 1 Corinthians 15:6 where the Apostle Paul states Jesus appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at the same time. Paul mentioned this happened after his resurrection and notes that most witnesses were still alive serving as a challenge to verify the event. Read your Bible!

Since none of us were there. We have to turn to the Bible for answers.

Yes. where we get another helping of an ambiguous contradictory half story.

According to John 20:19-26 Jesus appeared in a room where the disciples were hiding with “doors locked” or shut. 

Indeed just like you, the author of John's gospel can't seem to make up his mind; was it locked or just simply shut/closed?

Why don't we look at your preferred choice/s of your most trusted bible/s?

the (NEW) Jerusalem Bible,

John 20:19 In the evening of that same day, the first day of the week, the doors were closed in the room where the disciples were, for fear of the Judaeans. Jesus came and stood among them. He said to them, 'Peace be with you,'

The (NEW) Revised Standard Version

John 20:19 When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’

John 20:19

King James Version

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

You people - Christians - always expect the rest of us to suspend reality and the laws of nature, and are always far too quick to jump to the super power, super natural, excuse to explain something that even you don't understand but pretend to.

Read these verses and tell me what you both seem to be missing about this whole ambiguous saga?

Mark16: 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

So the above verse says they are concerned that they wouldn't be able to roll away the stone.

Then, we can assume that on arrival they were greeted with this sight;

Mark16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

Can you see your BIBLICAL dilemma concerning walking through walls Or locked doors?

Or do I once again have show you to be the illiterate braindead bible dunce that you are?