The Torah Is "dung" According to Some NT Authors

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#31 •••
@Stephen


even if you struggle with the Bible.

I'm not.

We know you did not receive enough education and your knowledge of the Bible is poor because you are a non practicing Christian. You also revealed you are having a kidney removed.


A nephrectomy is the surgical removal of all (radical) or part (partial) of a kidney, usually performed under general anesthesia to treat kidney cancer, disease, or injury. Techniques include traditional open surgery or minimally invasive laparoscopic/robotic methods.


Mental illness, particularly depression and anxiety, is a common and often underrecognized consequence of kidney disease, which may necessitate kidney removal (nephrectomy). The removal of a kidney itself, often done for cancer, can lead to fear, anxiety, and in some cases, symptoms of trauma, especially if it leads to chronic pain or if the donor experiences guilt or grief. 


Have you considered how your kidney removal is affecting your general mental health and more specifically your relationship to God? Because from the start you have been attacking the Bible and trying to make a mockery of Jesus, his words and even denying he was alive to attend his last supper .

Your distortion of the Bible has got to be more than your lack of education and poor reading skills. It’s an attack on Christianity possibly caused by your bitterness having lost a kidney and the mental stress it is causing. Why don’t you wait till you heal fully?


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#32 •••
We know you did not receive enough education and your knowledge of the Bible is poor because you are a non practicing Christian. You also revealed you are having a kidney removed.


None of the above has any relevance to the BIBLICAL fact that Paul proclaimed the Torah to be shite and a waste of his time preaching and teaching.

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#33 •••
@Stephen

We know you did not receive enough education and your knowledge of the Bible is poor because you are a non practicing Christian. You also revealed you are having a kidney removed.


None of the above has any relevance to the BIBLICAL fact that Paul proclaimed the Torah to be shite and a waste of his time preaching and teaching.



The claim that Paul the Apostle called the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish" is a misunderstanding of a specific passage in his writings, specifically 

Philippians 3:8. In that verse, Paul discusses his former Jewish achievements, not the Torah itself. 


Here is a breakdown of what Paul actually said and its context:

  1. The Passage (Philippians 3:4-8): Paul lists his pedigree (circumcised on the eighth day, Hebrew of Hebrews, Pharisee, blameless under the law) and states that he considers all these things "loss" and "rubbish" (skubala in Greek) compared to the "surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord".


The Meaning of Skubala: The Greek word skubalacan be translated as "rubbish," "trash," "refuse," or sometimes "dung/excrement." Paul uses this strong language not to call the Torah bad, but to describe his former reliance on his own accomplishments for salvation as "worthless" in comparison to the grace of knowing Christ.


Paul’s High View of the Torah: Paul explicitly states in Romans 7:12 that "the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good". He argues that the law itself is not the problem, but rather relying on works of the law to achieve righteousness.


A nephrectomy is the surgical removal of all (radical) or part (partial) of a kidney, usually performed under general anesthesia to treat kidney cancer, disease, or injury. Techniques include traditional open surgery or minimally invasive laparoscopic/robotic methods.


Mental illness, particularly depression and anxiety, is a common and often underrecognized consequence of kidney disease, which may necessitate kidney removal (nephrectomy). The removal of a kidney itself, often done for cancer, can lead to fear, anxiety, and in some cases, symptoms of trauma, especially if it leads to chronic pain or if the donor experiences guilt or grief. 


Have you considered how your kidney removal is affecting your general mental health and more specifically your relationship to God? Because from the start you have been attacking the Bible and trying to make a mockery of Jesus, his words and even denying he was alive to attend his last supper .

Your distortion of the Bible has got to be more than your lack of education and poor reading skills. It’s an attack on Christianity possibly caused by your bitterness having lost a kidney and the mental stress it is causing. Why don’t you wait till you heal fully?



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#34 •••
@Debby



The claim that Paul the Apostle called the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish" is a misunderstanding.


I am not going to keep going around in circles about this. Paul made it clear as do the Greek translations. The Torah was shite: and had been a waste of his time reading it and preaching it. so had created his own version of what the "laws of god" were.


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#35 •••
@Stephen

Paul said it was a waste of time to to earn righteousness through strict legal observance as waste compared to the righteousness that comes from faith in Christ.

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#36 •••

Albert Einstein: The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses,

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#37 •••

Outside of the Bible, there is no historical record of the Apostle Paul.

In Jewish writings of the first two centuries CE there is no mention of a rebellious student of Gamaliel named Paul or Saul. It is also very remarkable that the supposed student of Gamaliel, who certainly would have received instruction from him in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament, cites passages from the Old Testament exclusively from the Greek version—as if in his life he had never learned Hebrew!

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#38 •••
@FLRW

Biblical scholars believe the seven letters in the Bible were genuinely written by Paul.

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#39 •••
@Debby

Half of Paul's letters aren't actually written by him and are written by someone writing in his place and using his name.

They are only included because they align with orthodox theology. If they contradicted Paul's authentic letters and the Bible, the orthodox justification for removing them from the Bible would be because they werent actually written by Paul, and contradict the rest of Paul's letters.


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#40 •••
@FLRW

It was written by Paul. That made Paul famous. He is credited with the establishment of of modern Christianity.

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