Lazarus. Yet Another Problematic, Ambiguous Anomalous Biblical Half Story About The Wonder Of Resurrection. Pt (1)

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#31 •••
@Debby

Probably not, It's part and parcel of being in the Jew club.


Though I expect that a few of them are a tad sceptical.

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#32 •••
@SergeantLynch

The Jews have always been Skeptical of their neighbours.

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#33 •••
@Debby

For sure.


And I think it's fair to say that Jew's neighbours have been more than sceptical of Jews.

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#34 •••
@SergeantLynch

I think it was maybe a little bit more than scepticism. Jesus hated the gentiles even the Jewish ones and he hated the Jew Samaritans even more so., to the point where he told his followers "not to go anywhere near them", reminding them that he had come only to the lost tribes of Israel. this is another instance that your Christian just cannot accept. Matthew 10


He refused to cure a gentile Jewish woman's daughter because he believed them to be lower than dogs .Matthew 15


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#35 •••
@Stephen

Because of her faith in Jesus, Jesus granted her wish and her daughter was healed. Jesus cured both Jews and gentiles.

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#36 •••
@Debby, @Stephen

Such were tales from the Middle East.


So his disciples were aware that he could be a bit of a discriminatory arsehole.


That's human nature I suppose.

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#37 •••
@SergeantLynch
So his disciples were aware that he could be a bit of a discriminatory arsehole.

Good morning Serge

As clearly shown in both verses from the BIBLE Serge !, Yep Jesus was a Jew through and through and had no time for non Jews even gentiles that had converted to Jewry. So Christians don't mean anything to him, I believe he would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprang up in his name.

Have a nice day my mate.

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#38 •••
@Stephen

After the Jews rejected Jesus and demanded he be crucified. Jesus was resurrected and changed his instructions .

Mark 16:15 

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

After Jesus rose from the dead, he gave his disciples this commission: to go and preach the gospel to everyone. 


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I still don’t know what to type!

#40 •••

Turn to the scriptures when you have doubts.

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#41 •••

Magic-man hypothesis is very easy to understand, though unlikely to be true.


Whereas a super-intelligence is feasible and also easy to understand, but there's been no follow-up as far as I know...Which leads me to conclude that this hypothesis is also unlikely to be correct.


Which leaves us with a uniquely evolving intelligent system, or similarly evolving intelligent systems.


And it's highly likely that other evolving intelligent systems came up with a magic-being hypothesis at some point in their development.

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#42 •••
@Debby
Debby wrote: After the Jews rejected Jesus and demanded he be crucified. Jesus was resurrected and changed his instructions .
Mark 16:15 
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”
After Jesus rose from the dead, he gave his disciples this commission: to go and preach the gospel to everyone. 


You just love your cans of worms don't you, you thick bellend.


He didn't die so - like Lazarus- he never came back to life, unless "coming back to life" in those days also meant coming to his senses and had accepted that his mission had failed in his homeland and simply couldn't beat the might of Rome with just a few thousand cutthroat thieving zealots from the bandit province of Galilee so had to recruited from elsewhere.

Off you go now thicko and learn some real ancient historical facts instead of ancient fairy tails.



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#43 •••
@Stephen

Jesus declared he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Matthew 15:24 at the beginning of his ministry.

After the Jews rejected Jesus and demanded he be crucified. Jesus was resurrected and changed his instructions .

Mark 16:15 

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

After Jesus rose from the dead, he gave his disciples this commission: to go and preach the gospel to everyone. 

The Romans were more receptive to Jesus’s message than the Jews even though Jesus and his 12 disciples were all Jews.


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#44 •••
@Debby

Anyway, back to the topic my original post.


I have have come across a wonderful piece of work that appears to agree with me.

In their book The Hiram Key _ Pharaohs, Freemasons And The Discovery Of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus- authors Christophe Knight and Dr Robert Lomas wrote as follows:

" Sometimes people underwent a temporary 'death ' by leaving the inner group and then being readmitted [raised from the dead]. An example of this was Lazarus, who lost his nerve when the going got tough towards the end of Jesus' life.

They go on:

"The kind of expression of the 'living and the 'dead' has been shown, beyond all doubt, to have been the terminology used at the rime of Jesus and those that insist on taking it literally not only deny all the evidence but also do a great disservice to a unique and brilliant teacher........."

"The idea of a rotting corpse being brought back to life would have been a disgusting concept to all Jews of the age, and for modern Christians to think that such things were spoken of in such a matter- of - fact way is as foolish as thinking that magic carpets were the usual mode of transport in Baghdad. people who are generally pragmatic seem open to believing that the ridiculous could have happened in the remote past in some lost 'golden age'. "


So unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I am sticking to my own belief that "raising the dead" is / was, nothing more than an initiation ceremony into the inner circle of the Jesus movement of called the "living".


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#45 •••
@Stephen

The resurrection is central to Christianity. Not only was Jesus certified dead on the cross. The Romans did not break his legs to speed up the death process since he was already dead. Jesus then reappeared to his disciples who touched and confirmed it was him. Jesus remained on earth for 40 days. Then ascended to heaven. The Bible has survived the test of time.

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