Im solid christian but this psychological criticism about the effect on children in formidable

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What often gets called “the Gospel” in many religious environments is not good news for a developing human being. It is a psychologically invasive framework imposed at a stage when a child cannot meaningfully question or refuse it, and it does not simply shape belief. It actively distorts identity, undermines self-trust, and restructures how a child relates to reality.

When these ideas are introduced as unquestionable truth, they do not sit on the surface as theology. They work their way into the foundation of the self, where they can produce shame, fear, confusion, and internal division that a child has no capacity to process or resolve. This is harm, not formation. It is developmental damage dressed up as spiritual instruction.

Here is what that does in practice.

1. It tells a child they enter life already wrong. Not in process. Not forming. Defective at the level of being. Instead of developing a basic sense of worth, they learn that their starting point is defectiveness, that who they are is a problem to be solved.

2. It frames violence as moral necessity. A child is taught that their condition is so severe that it required divine brutality to resolve it. This does not produce gratitude. It teaches a child that violence is love, punishment is justice, and suffering is good.

3. It severs self-trust at the root. Thoughts, emotions, instincts, curiosity, all of it becomes suspect. The child learns that what arises naturally within them is unreliable or dangerous, and that authority must always come from outside.

4. It uses fear and shame as behavioral technology. Compliance is not built through understanding or growth, but through the constant threat of rejection, punishment, or exposure. Fear becomes the operating system.

5. It normalizes eternal harm as part of a moral universe. A child is asked to accept that most people, possibly people they know and love, are destined for endless torment. That idea does not stay abstract. It reshapes empathy, safety, and the meaning of existence itself.

6. It divides humanity into categories of worth. “Believer” and “non-believer” becomes more than a difference in perspective. It becomes a moral hierarchy. The child absorbs a framework where some people matter more than others.

7. It suppresses independent thought. Questions are reframed as rebellion. Critical thinking becomes a liability. The child learns that using their own mind can separate them from belonging, approval, or even God.

8. It equates goodness with self-erasure. Healthy development involves forming a self. This framework teaches that the self must be denied, minimized, or eliminated to be acceptable. That is not humility. That is internalized rejection.

9. It leaves sexuality underdeveloped and distorted. Instead of receiving grounded, responsible guidance, children are given silence, fear, or shame. A core part of being human becomes something to manage, hide, or fear, rather than understand.

This shapes a child in ways they do not choose and cannot undo. It determines how a person relates to themselves long after the beliefs are questioned or abandoned. You do not just “leave” these systems. You have to untangle what they trained you to believe about your own mind, your own body, and your own worth.

If something in this list feels familiar, the work is not to replace one system with another. It is to rebuild your capacity to see clearly, think independently, and relate to yourself without inherited distortion. That is where something healthier can actually begin.

Jim Palmer

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#2 •••
@linate

Most of these problems seem like they're based on how the information is delivered. I think religious beliefs, like a lot of ideas, can be presented in a way that's harmful and a way that's not. I mean, obviously whether the belief is true or false probably takes precedence, but we're not gonna get agreement on that any time soon.

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@linate

I remember spending my childhood in fear of hell. Yeah, wonderful effects on children. Be afraid instead of enjoying childhood.



Chronic, long-term fear and anxiety can lead to a sustained reduction in functional IQ by impairing cognitive processes such as memory, attention, and executive function. While acute, short-term fear can sometimes improve performance, prolonged exposure to stress (chronic fear) can cause lasting structural and functional changes in the brain, including reduced volume in the hippocampus and alterations to the prefrontal cortex. 


Key Long-Term Impacts of Fear on IQ:


  1. Structural Brain Changes: Chronic stress or trauma can shrink the hippocampus (responsible for memory) and the prefrontal cortex (responsible for executive function, planning, and decision-making).
  2. Cognitive Decline: Longitudinal studies indicate that high levels of chronic stress or trauma (e.g., PTSD) are associated with a decline in cognitive abilities over time, increasing the risk of neurodegenerative issues.
  3. Reduced Working Memory: Anxiety and fear erode working memory, which is essential for processing information, handling complex tasks, and learning.
  4. Impact on Youth: Early childhood trauma has been shown to reduce IQ scores significantly (sometimes by as much as 5 points), with long-term effects on cognitive development.
  5. Brain Fog: Chronic anxiety can cause "brain fog," which impacts ability to focus, follow conversations, and perform mental arithmetic. 

Important Context and Nuances:


  1. Reversibility: While chronic fear can cause structural damage, some research suggests that with appropriate therapy or intervention, the brain can heal, and these effects may be reversed.
  2. Short-Term Effects: Acute stress or fear does not necessarily reduce IQ and might even enhance performance in the immediate moment through arousal.
  3. Anxiety-Intelligence Link: Interestingly, some studies have shown that individuals with higher intelligence often experience higher levels of worry and anxiety, though this is distinct from fear reducing their intelligence.
  4. Not Always Permanent: Some studies on anxiety in teenagers found that while severe phobias were associated with lower IQ, many effects of anxiety on cognitive functioning are transient (temporary) and not always a permanent reduction in innate intelligence. 

In summary, while transient fear does not permanently lower IQ, unmanaged, chronic, long-term fear (such as from chronic stress or PTSD) is associated with long-term reductions in cognitive performance and potential brain damage

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@linate

Islam is better

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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@linate

Let’s recognize that Jim Palmer is a Religious Trauma Counselor, so he deals with Traumatic Religious outcomes for a living. But the problem is not inherent to Christianity, it is a matter of how Christianity is presented to the child, and almost everything he presents are the traditional results of toxic authoritarian parenting, similar results can result from any religion, it certainly isn’t a function of the specific religion. 


Toxic authoritarian parents utilize chronic abuse and indoctrination in a fear-based home environment where high demands for obedience are enforced with little to no warmth, nurturing, or open communication. It is the parenting style that prioritizes total control that often leaves children with long-lasting emotional, social, and psychological damage.


In a toxic authoritarian parenting environment, any system of relationships and common belief structures can be entangled with fear and control, hindering a child’s ability to trust themselves and develop healthy interpersonal relationships. Presented in such an environment, almost any subject matter can have similar traumatic results, subjects like Democracy, Society, Atheism, Community, Family, Education, Football even, almost any social construct is vulnerable to becoming the object of trauma.


It’s the toxic environment that does the damage, not the subject matter presented in that toxic environment.

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I had a toxic semi libertarian upbringing and can tell you trauma can arise when emotionally neglected and treated like dirt but left on the internet freely unsupervised.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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@Sidewalker

Good points


As you guys have said, a lotta the issue boils down to how the religion is framed

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left on the internet freely unsupervised.


Parents should never supervise child's internet. Good thing phones like Xiaomi come with anti-supervising built in. Like, you can install all supervising apps, and child just clicks on "second storage" option and phone bypasses all supervising or limiting apps.

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@linate
ideas are introduced as unquestionable truth


Depends. I am encouraged to, as Thomas Jefferson once said, "question everything." Everything about my religion is open to question, else what you claim is the result. It is not my result.


 It tells a child they enter life already wrong. 


"Original sin" is not an accepted doctrine in my religion, being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, founded and centered upon Jesus Christ, who atoned for all sin, suffering, and disappointment, including the transgression of Adam & Eve, conditional upon their repentance. To deny them forgiveness, and to saddle each person born with "original sin" is nothing but denial of the atonement of Christ, and we are not authorized to decide for them [A&E] if they are forgiven. We are commanded to forgive, and that includes them, or we endanger our own forgiveness.


It frames violence as moral necessity.


No, my religion does not accept such as "moral necessity.". I rely on the biblical injunction to "love [our] enemies," which would deny violence by unwarranted aggression, though there is righteous indignation that must, if aggressed upon, respond to defeat aggression. Love must be, in circumstance, "tough."


It suppresses independent thought.


I'll close on this one, because all else rests on the foundation of individual thought as opposed to universal imposition. There latter is the devil's footstool; it is he who desires our communal thought, our aggression, our self-origin of sin, and all others. The glory of God is intelligence, not ignorance, which is what communal thought imposed really ends up being. If there is communal thought, it is thinking was Christ, and his Father, and the Holy Spirit think. That are the ultimate community, being perfect.




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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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The good thing is children Lear at a early age from reading the Bible that Satan is not his neighbour.

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