Alien Mafia DP3

I’m not scum dude

Who do you think it is? Do you think castin / mikal are making this up?

Why do you think whiteflame is the OG and not Pie?

Flavor character - I doubt Casey would out their partner like that in their role PM.

yeah assuming you are not scum lol. I do agree it’s between pie or wf but I want to think about this. Because if you are scum and we pick wrong game is over.

not to mention Castin is not even town locked. She still could be the recruit. Very unlikely and as I said she would have to have not did the kill

but atm today is between pie or wf.

There are only two possibilities:

(1) The team is whiteflame / pie

(2) The team is mikal / castin and they made up this claim and cross confirmed each other.

I’m stuck on that. Part of me wonders if it just that and that is the balance of the yakuza being busted.

1) Why did you choose Mikal?

2) Why does that town confirm him?

1) It was a toss-up between tracking you, whiteflame, or Mikal, and I just went with my gut. I always questioned if Mikal was making up the accidental hammering in DP1 because he saw the opportunity to blame it on Kohai's scorekeeping.

2) Confirms his story above. I suppose there's a scenario where he was scum and visited me, but what power did he use on me if so? I received no notification of anything except that he visited me.

It’s its wf and you. Or pie and you. Or Castin and wf.

nonthing is confirmed lol

I’m stuck on that. Part of me wonders if it just that and that is the balance of the yakuza being busted.

Honestly that is just way too scum OP’d. Town doesn’t have enough roles to counter an alignment change mid game

Huh that is literally what a yazkua does. What do you mean

Huh that is literally what a yazkua does. What do you mean

I meant on a balance level basis it is far too scum sided and town doesn’t have enough roles that could catch it.

If I was designing the game I would have made Rex an alignment cop rather than a character cop or even a cop that would say if someone is the same alignment they had at the beginning of the game.

Who do you think it is? Do you think castin / mikal are making this up?

I think WF is OG mafia for sure. I’ve maintained that via the POE since yesterday. As for who is the recruited scum, I need to reread to determine that after all the information revealed today

As for them making it up, I don’t think either of them did.

As for them making it up, I don’t think either of them did

that’s kinda where I am at right now. That would honestly clear them as a team if wf is original scum.

plus I have a very hard time believing he would be able to obtain the power of a townie before he was even flipped let alone using it twice

Why do you think whiteflame is the OG and not Pie?

Flavor character - I doubt Casey would out their partner like that in their role PM.

Hmm. She'd have no choice if she wanted to convert someone. But would Lunatic implicate the other scum in the description knowing Yakuza would flip early? I'm thinking probably not.

That would leave whiteflame as the fake claimer and makes me wonder if he reported the Informant dump faithfully.

That would leave whiteflame as the fake claimer and makes me wonder if he reported the Informant dump faithfully.

Agree with this

Another thing pointing me in the white flame / pie direction is I don’t see Mikal as recruiting Castin

The only world where I see Mikal still being scum is if he's the recruit and used his night action on me to farm town cred. I don't think that's what happened, but it is a possibility.

Vader being NK'd instead of me is troubling.

Since Kohai is a non-option in all this I'll need to do isos on Pie and whiteflame tomorrow. For now, I'm tired.

The only world where I see Mikal still being scum is if he's the recruit and used his night action on me to farm town cred. I don't think that's what happened, but it is a possibility.

That would be impossible since he targeted you and you confirmed it.

that’s kinda where I am at right now. That would honestly clear them as a team if wf is original scum. 

Wym clear as a team?

plus I have a very hard time believing he would be able to obtain the power of a townie before he was even flipped let alone using it twice 

Wym?

Another thing pointing me in the white flame / pie direction is I don’t see Mikal as recruiting Castin

Either Castin or Mikal can be the recruited scum

Either Castin or Mikal can be the recruited scum

they cannot be town / scum.

The only world where I see Mikal still being scum is if he's the recruit and used his night action on me to farm town cred. I don't think that's what happened, but it is a possibility. 

Which is a possibility for sure. Same with you as well from my POV. That’s why trying to catch the recruited scum is so difficult. But if we catch the OG scum it opens everything up. Mikal can’t be OG because of how confident he was in his Motivator. You can’t be the OG scum cause I believe there’s a Tracker in the game—basically the sole major investigative role. I don’t think Kohai is the OG scum because he didn’t have to claim that early in the game. I know I’m town. Who does that leave? Whiteflame.

Vader being NK'd instead of me is troubling. 

Since Kohai is a non-option in all this I'll need to do isos on Pie and whiteflame tomorrow. For now, I'm tired.

they cannot be town / scum.

Why not?

I think whiteflame is objectively the best lynch today.

mikal and castin cannot be town / scum. If so this would require one of them to use a non lethal action on the other and also not role block each other. This is absurd. Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town. I’m leaning towards both of them being town - esp given Castin’s derp tell.

I think whiteflame is objectively the best lynch today. 

I agree with this

mikal and castin cannot be town / scum. If so this would require one of them to use a non lethal action on the other and also not role block each other. This is absurd.

A) Where’d the idea of a roleblock come from

B) Why can’t a recruited Mikal use a Follower on Castin

C) Why can’t a recruited Castin use the Tracker on Mikal

Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town. I’m leaning towards both of them being town - esp given Castin’s derp tell.

A) Where’d the idea of a roleblock come from

B) Why can’t a recruited Mikal use a Follower on Castin

C) Why can’t a recruited Castin use the Tracker on Mikal

A. Process of elimination. Both got a result so neither could be role blocked. Neither were killed so it couldn’t have been a killing action.

B-C. That’s my point. Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town.

B-C. That’s my point. Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town.

Again, that’s not true. If Mikal was recruited, he would retain his town role. He can follow Wryly still. If Wryly was recruited, she would retain her Tracker and be able to track Mikal

Again, that’s not true. If Mikal was recruited, he would retain his town role. He can follow Wryly still. If Wryly was recruited, she would retain her Tracker and be able to track Mikal

Why would they waste an action on each other? In addition, it makes more sense for them to bullshit this claim then it does for them to waste an action.

Why would they waste an action on each other? In addition, it makes more sense for them to bullshit this claim then it does for them to waste an action.

Is it really wasting if one is town and the other is scum? Both Mikal and Wryly can be telling the truth, but one of them can still be scum.

Before we make a decision that gives the game to scum, I'd like to understand why I'm the apparent given lynch for any reason beyond POE. I wasn't Tracked, so I have no validation of my night action. I get that, too. I was willing to claim my target before Wryly said who she targeted, but you can believe that was a calculated risk.

We have precisely one protective role in this game in Thoth. His Apportioner was a pretty weak protective role since it only delayed the NK, and I'm the only one aside from him with a role that can still be protective, effectively backing up his role. I don't want to engage in modpsych too much, but even with my role in play, town seems surprisingly weak when it comes to handling the NK. Really the only counters to it are Thoth's role and Pie's claim, and the latter is useless now that he's claimed it (and I don't think we could call it a protective role to begin with).

It's strange, especially compared with the number of informational roles that have come up, that the protective roles are so thin this game. That seems even stranger given David's role claim, which adds another kill to the mix if he's lynched. It certainly makes for a swingy game, but that seems excessively so if you excise my role from the equation.

Anyway, it's late and I need to get some sleep. It would be a huge mistake to lynch me and I'd like to discuss this in more detail after I go back and read through the previous DPs. Mikal or Pie are both better choices (Wryly's result on Mikal only suggests that he didn't perform the NK), but I don't think I buy them as a scum team, so I'll need to do some digging. Please at least wait until we've had a chance to discuss it before VTLing.

Please at least wait until we've had a chance to discuss it before VTLing.

Agree with this. I’m off to bed. G’night