Alien Mafia DP3

The POE of who could be OG scum is exactly Whiteflame.

I just thought of something. The night kill only make sense if whiteflame is scum. If he killed castin he could never fake claim that he was a doctor and healed castin. Castin was the obvoius night kill so whiteflame avoided killing him to get fake town cred.

im going to entertain this and just accept I may be over thinking. 

if wf is og

who is the recruit. 

I would wager it’s you or Kohai. Outside chance of Wryly, but that’s a tomorrow discussion depending on who mafia will NK tonight. Like I said, it’s impossible to determine motive. Did Casey/WF want to go Kohai because of his killing aspect, or did they want to go you because of your experience?

I just thought of something. The night kill only make sense if whiteflame is scum. If he killed castin he could never fake claim that he was a doctor and healed castin. Castin was the obvoius night kill so whiteflame avoided killing him to get fake town cred.

If whiteflame is scum then I think scum really messed up the last night phase. Whiteflame should not have made any night kill, claim to be town who saved castin from being killed, and then everyone would be lynching mikal nowt hat it is confirmed he visited castin

You didn’t soft claim martyr. You soft claimed a power role.

because you are scum. Having an active power role doesn’t mean you can claim it. Your claim is convienent. Skep was all over this last dp as well but I dismissed it because of how dumb his role was. You also said you weren’t beloved and claimed a role that functions the same way. Not to mention if I motivated you as scum you could have got 2 night actions.

because the role is basically beloved and a reason for why you are alive

I’m js these arguments are bad. Almost equally as weird as David assuming you are wf are a scum lock but not considering you.

I really dislike how hard this is being pushed

He could fake claim he targeted anyone.

David you either are tunneling or just trying to force a mislynch. Like you aren’t even considering other recruit options

Let’s say you think I’m the OG scum. I soft claimed Martyr in DP1 why? To avoid being interfered with? Protected?

If you're OG, perhaps to lock in your fake role early. If you're the recruit, because you weren't scum yet.

Let’s say I’m the OG scum who has an active role. Why would I say no to Mikal supposedly motivating me? Let’s say I’m an OG scum that has a passive role. That sounds super weak with a Yakuza to begin with.

This is a good point. I can't see a world where you were scum, got motivated by Mikal, but denied it. And Lunatic said both sides were overpowered in this game, so I don't believe you could have a passive scum role.

If I was OG scum, why advocate and literally coordinate a mass claim and risk being caught vs getting individual claims to minimize CC risk?

Pretty much everyone still here was on board with the mass claim, so we could ask the same question of anyone.

He denies it cus he got motivated and say he has a scum role. (Rb, redirect, role cop, anything) he can use it and get two results

he absolutely would deny this.

I just thought of something. The night kill only make sense if whiteflame is scum. If he killed castin he could never fake claim that he was a doctor and healed castin. Castin was the obvoius night kill so whiteflame avoided killing him to get fake town cred.

I don't follow.

He could fake claim he targeted anyone. 

David you either are tunneling or just trying to force a mislynch. Like you aren’t even considering other recruit option

It’s really just process of elimination. There are reasons I can town lock Castin and that would also strongly confirm you as town. I also have strong reasons to believe Pie is not OG scum. That leave whiteflame and pie.

Here’s where I’m at. I was going to insta vote wf. Just because of Supas role.

but David and pies arguments are not making much sense and this seems forced as shit. If we get this wrong we lose and they would only need one other vote.

Everything about this is throwing red flags everywhere for me

Let’s look at it logically

let’s say Castin is scum and you are town. What did he do to you last night? Obviously he didn’t NK you, didn’t redirect you, and didn’t RB you. So what did Castin do?

He denies it cus he got motivated and say he has a scum role. (Rb, redirect, role cop, anything) he can use it and get two results

he absolutely would deny this.

Then why not just make up a fake active role and say that was motivated -- that looks less sus and potentially gets you on his side.

Bruh.

castin could be a recruit and just used her tracker role. Or just claimed she saw me visit her cus I already said it. I think this is unlikely but possible. They could have just did the kill

its not Castin I’m worried about. It’s you and pie. Both of the arguments are making no sense as to why wf and from your pov if you were town you should not care who we pick. Cus you’ve said it’s pie and wf

if it’s pie and wf with you as town. Why do you care about the order

this all seems wrong

You didn’t soft claim martyr. You soft claimed a power role. 

Here is what I said: “Anyone on that wagon probably isnt going to die, especially me, so I suggest to any protective roles to not target me.”

I am trying to get NKed. Why? Because it benefits town to be NKed.

because you are scum. Having an active power role doesn’t mean you can claim it. Your claim is convienent. Skep was all over this last dp as well but I dismissed it because of how dumb his role was. You also said you weren’t beloved and claimed a role that functions the same way. Not to mention if I motivated you as scum you could have got 2 night actions. 

No it doesn’t. Martyr and Beloved are fundamentally different. One only has upside for town. And I quite literally said not to protect me for that reason. If you want to take that as soft claiming a PR, potato potahto.

As for having an active PR. Why would I say I didn’t receive anything if I did and draw suspicion onto myself? That makes no sense at all.

because the role is basically beloved and a reason for why you are alive 

It’s not the same role. It’s fundamentally different.

I’m js these arguments are bad. Almost equally as weird as David assuming you are wf are a scum lock but not considering you. 

They’re logical explanations of my actions. You can either assume that I had an active action and chose to say I wasn’t motivated and draw suspicion onto myself, or I told the truth.

It’s an objective fact that if I’m the martyr, I say what I said DP1. Cause it serves 2 purposes. Either mafia kill me, or they’re forced to use potential actions they have on me.

I really dislike how hard this is being pushed

Again, you’ve said nothing about what makes WF not and OG scum. My actions are explainable. There’s no such thing going for WF. I’ll ask you again. What reason do you have to believe that WF is not the OG scum.

A few fake roles that can be cced when I claimed at the start of the do I motivated him? It puts pressure on him to validate what I’m saying immediately. Do you risk claiming an active role when no one has claimed or do you say a obsure passive that’s safe as shit.

again he softed a power role. Changed it. Said he was wasn’t beloved and basically claimed it during the mass claim.

as scum if you got motivated you would absolutely deny it. It makes me look bad as well and he can point back to it.

He denies it cus he got motivated and say he has a scum role. (Rb, redirect, role cop, anything) he can use it and get two results 

he absolutely would deny this. 

And then subsequently pressure for a mass claim? That makes absolutely no sense.

I think he’s an option but I think David is the plausible recruit. For all the reasons I’ve said before you and David are pushing hard as fuck on him and David has said you and wf are scum.

as town it would not bother him of the order

also yes I think you would claim you are not motivated because you weren’t sure of how I meant you could confirm me until I said you were a passive role. If you got motivated as scum. Yes the easier thing to do is 1)deny and 2) abuse whatever role you have.

the blind push from you and David is weird. Period and seems very forced. To the point im second guessing what I wanted to do coming into this

If you're OG, perhaps to lock in your fake role early. If you're the recruit, because you weren't scum yet.

Why lock it in early as OG scum? Wouldn’t I want to keep my options open? Go reread what I wrote in DP. Does that sound more like I’m claiming a PR or a Martyr?

This is a good point. I can't see a world where you were scum, got motivated by Mikal, but denied it. And Lunatic said both sides were overpowered in this game, so I don't believe you could have a passive scum role.

Exactly.

Pretty much everyone still here was on board with the mass claim, so we could ask the same question of anyone.

Sure, but think of it in the context of me being OG scum. Why would I advocate a mass claim and risk being CCed vs going individual after people

Why would you want to mass claim as town when as a beloved, martyr, bp. Any of those roles. Serve a purpose when scum do not know. Advocating for a mass claim when your role is better used if you are dead.

I understand wanting a mass claim. We all wanted it. But context now. Skep pointed all this out. If is useful and explains why you won’t die.

A few fake roles that can be cced when I claimed at the start of the do I motivated him? It puts pressure on him to validate what I’m saying immediately. Do you risk claiming an active role when no one has claimed or do you say a obsure passive that’s safe as shit. 

Why not claim an active role. Gain town cred with you, and the individually push people so my chances of CC are reduced lol

again he softed a power role. Changed it. Said he was wasn’t beloved and basically claimed it during the mass claim. 

That’s your opinion. I softed Martyr. I asked for people to not protect me.

as scum if you got motivated you would absolutely deny it. It makes me look bad as well and he can point back to it. 

Or I accept it and gain town cred

This is the 50th time I’m going to ask. Why is WF not the OG scum?

You’re creating a scenario where I’m the OG. Fine. I have an opposing scenario where I’m telling the truth that is equally believable. What scenario does WF have that makes him not the OG scum?

Accept it and have to claim it when no one else has claimed yet?

is that easier than picking a passive role. Much less saying you aren’t beloved to me then changing the way it works slightly when I was referring to that exact type of role.

Why would you want to mass claim as town when as a beloved, martyr, bp. Any of those roles. Serve a purpose when scum do not know. Advocating for a mass claim when your role is better used if you are dead. 

I could ask you the exact same question.

I understand wanting a mass claim. We all wanted it. But context now. Skep pointed all this out. If is useful and explains why you won’t die.

Skep called the team as you and me, so it’s rather rich that you’re cherry picking what he said

Accept it and have to claim it when no one else has claimed yet?

is that easier than picking a passive role. Much less saying you aren’t beloved to me then changing the way it works slightly when I was referring to that exact type of role. 

Okay, let’s play this game. Why pick Martyr out of any of the hundreds of passive roles?

Still waiting on the reason why WF can’t be the OG scum and what scenario he can’t be.

I’ve answered this multiple times. It’s very plausible he’s og

gun to my head it’s

you David

or wf david

I don’t think David outright busses wf out of the gate when im pushing you. David as scum and if I’m wrong would just wait for wf and then push because I’m leaning you. Scum David and wf would win because I would vote for you

so that leaves scum you and scum David. Who need to gain a vote to end

Why picked beloved when you’ve admitted before it’s the easiest thing to get away with claiming. You just could not claim it because i called it out early.

Not to mention if david as town is being consistent with what he’s typing would have no reason not to vote you.

he’s said you and are scum. So why he is not willing to go you first

Kohai is a nonstarter this DP.

Mikal says he visited me and my tracking corroborates it. No, that's not bulletproof, but it's more than I have to go on for whiteflame and Pie. If he was scum, his visiting me means (correct me if I'm wrong plz) he has to be the recruit anyway, and I'm after the OG.

So, again, whiteflame and Pie.

Despite all of the back-and-forths I see here, nothing has tipped me for Pie or whiteflame. They were on both mislynches. Both their role justifications make sense. Neither whiteflame or Pie has done anything especially scummy to me. If whiteflame was scum he would've had to relay Vader's informant message anyway, so that does nothing. I'll need to think on this more after I'm done for the day.

Not to mention if david as town is being consistent with what he’s typing would have no reason not to vote you.

I thought the entire goal was to lynch the ORIGINAL scum today. Pie is definitely NOT the original scum. That said, I do strongly believe he's the recruit.

I think this may be you. Cus I think the solve is go pie then vote David tomorrow and have him shoot wf (if David is town ) if not then we just win by killing him

im operating under the fact you are mostly locked. Long shot you can be scum but eveyrthing this dp and how they are acting I think pie is the most logical choice from Poe.