1990s-2000s Nostalgia Mafia (DP1)

The new people in this game

imagine if you invited Al Swearengen to a quincinera by mistake

I think its more the challenge of having to accept new even weirder personalities than you already have.

I would suggest we start actually playing soon. Let me know when were done playing vs the gm

Right now my POE is between Whiteflame , awesome, Rex, and Pie. I do like Pie coming off strong but I think he could be enacting revenge in other ways than just trying to carry town

Town Block:

Pie

Mikal

Luna

Thoth

Max

WF

Awesome

Unsaid

REF

Vader

This is giving off tax cuts for homeless vietnam veterans vibes.

So basically the scum in your worldview are either brand new ppl who suck horribly, or low posters hiding from the game who also suck horribly.

Please carpet bomb skid row to ensure even the rats do not survive.

Ive talked myself into admiring this now actually continue

Wanted to go back and analyze this pretty in dept. Was waiting to get some information before I did a pretty Indepth post.

Starting with the obvious Luna. Had to go back and look at this and is much as it's stuff that shouldn't be taken into account. It has to be, mainly because I am not faking a read over it.

Luna posts at 4:27 - Am I playing have not received my role.

David Responds at 4:38 - Sorry my bad, just sent it (acknowledging he has not sent it)

Game starts 8 mins later. I do think there is a world where luna is scum with this happening. I am wrong, I will learn my lesson but looking back at the time line. This is perma locking luna for me.

The other person that I think that is locked locked is Max. I don't think scum have a neighborzier. It's possible but unlikely. Max mentioned he would not be on until late last night (this tracks with his activity in life), also that he wont be able to post all day tomorrow (also tracks with activity). Maxes role semi confirms him but his consistency in the excuses he is claiming largely lines up with his life schedule.

It’s more so the town block aspect that we have going. Even in general, there’s a 50/50 shot one of the new people is scum with the POE I have going

If you repost this with a picture of a clown I will absolutely believe you believe this

He’s at the lowest of the block, but the vibe felt town. Could he have done it as scum? Sure. But no one was talking about it, and he could’ve used it to his advantage by securing a plurality lynch.

were talking about a large post made by Whiteflame about something setup related that he could have just left “unsaid” to instead obtain a cheap elimination.

so wouldnt doing what youve described just massively implicate him as scum?

I guess I get lost on why a mech NAI post would make someone towny; or why pointing out some role mechanic would be something a town would do, vs something a scum just needing something to talk about would do.

my experience probably doesnt matter much to you but wf is not very interested in sharing opinions on the other players alignments so far. It has felt more apologetic and mech centric than anything else

Moving on the rest of the game.

1) Whiteflame

There is an anti-claim mechanic in play. Softclaims will likely be fine, but unless you have a clearly SOP claim, absolutely do not claim unprompted. We can work through how and who to pressure for claims as the DP goes on, but please do not gift scum extra roles to use during the NP.

There appears to be some mechanic in the game that can affect the day chat. Not clear if that just means for one player (e.g. a Silencer) or some broader mechanic, but if something interrupts the chat for this DP or any future ones, Kohai made it clear that such a mechanic exists.

I want to know how he ties these two points together. I see anti claim, I don't see anything about affecting day chat and it's an odd line to draw from anti claim. This comes off as TMI.

That is a pretty good indicator. Scum would have received theirs without any additional prompting. It's not impossible that Luna used this as a tactic as scum, but considering the delay in starting the DP, I doubt Kohai would do that just to give a member of the scum team mod-confirmed towncred pre-game.

this is weird way to frame the possibility of a town lock not being a town lock. Granted it's not a real town lock. It also implies lunatic was lying, and david still cofirmed it. Just a strange statement.

I think the exchange from 106 and 107 between WF and unsaid, lock in they are not scum together. It's a immediate push on WF and a very unneeded thing to do as a scum pairing.

I'm unclear what the mindset is for this post. I get that three votes suddenly appearing on Max would be sus af, but I'm also unclear on why you're amping up pressure on a so far absent player. Pie made a good point about how this is particularly odd coming off of last game where Mikal took advantage of an opportunity to make it look like an accidental lynch, so I'm not sure why you'd contribute to that potentially happening again.

then immediately this

Where are you at, REF? I recognize that we're still relatively early in the DP, but I'm going to need some signs of life.

VTL REF

These two statements do not work well together. It's like hes asking why hes pressuring an absent player then votes another absent player.

I have a problem with Thoth's decision to pile onto Max despite him already having 2 votes and still being inactive. REF, by contrast, has had little attention on him and no votes.

Kind of answers it, I can take this looking back at it.

WF bothers me. Most of what he is doing is fluff and he's not really scum hunting. He's town reading and fluffing. This has always bothered me in the past about him and I don't think I have ever missed him as scum. It is true he does this as town as well, but there is something about this game that hits me wrong. It's like hes actively posting but not really giving reads or looking for scum. It's either invalidating other reads, or offering town reads only.

Vote Count

Mikal (3/6) , Airmax, Rex, Awesome5000

Airmax1227 (1/6) Thoth

Whiteflame (1/6) Unsaid 

Not voting: (7/10) Ilikepie, Airmax1227, RexFlavius, Vader, Whiteflame, Mikal

Pie

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch! 

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1. iLikePie strong opinions but sometimes seems a bit reachy on their solve and maybe tmi on their townleans

2. Thoth i dont have a strong opinion but lean town. The posts ive seen were active and diplomatic. I dont remember seeing any agenda

3. Lunatic abrasive, active and edgy. Unlikely to be evil

4. awesome5000 lost in the lack of forum features. That could be honest. Slight scumlean for lack of connection to townier ppl

5. Airmax1227 the claim. Idk what it all means but null

6. Rex barely posting null.

7. Vader had a few better posts. Barely lean town

8. Mikal the self voting. Idk what to focus on here null

9. Whiteflame scum just because they seem by comparison more likely evil than everyone else

Awesome

This one bothers the most and is the sore thumb this dp.

i get the impression there's probably a mason or a hood

This is out of the gate and I wonder why he thought this. I asked for a clarification and never got it.

idk if talking about this shit is allowed on this site but i'm gonna angle thoth scum here

This is where stuff starts to get weird. He scum reads Thoth off the PM thing when I was the one who suggested it. He then goes on to suggest thoth slipped.

he slipped twice, once with the role pm stuff (mine does not have any sort of win condition shit, but idk if I’m allowed to talk about this, it would get me modkilled on MU lmao), once when discussing anticlaim. Since when does town have anticlaim, like ever? How would it even work, it only activates if it’s scum? If it works on everyone, ask everyone to claim and have it function like a vig lmao. That kind of statement comes from scum perspective

pushing random inactive makes it worse, not better

the thing that strikes me as odd 1) is the lack of wincon when its present in other peoples or htey would have said it already. I don't want to scum read of this. He then starts saying anti claim is TMI, when it states it clearly in the OP twice.

Most of the interactions after this about angle shooting, and that we are both scum kinda read as scum frustration.

I am not sure I am 100% on board with every single POE read, but I am also fine not lynching those in that pool this day phase.

Thoth I am not going to behavior read off the exchange with david.

I was doing it and just decided to let it ride. I also don't think thoth and awesome can be scum together

So currently looking back at this

Town Pile

Myself

Luna

Thoth

Max

Can't be scum together

unsaid and WF

Thoth and anon

not going to bother behavior reading Pie since he is afill lock according to him

Town Pile

Myself

Luna

Thoth

Max

Pie (unless he can't produce what he said this can stay for now)

Can't be scum together

unsaid and WF

Thoth and anon

ie yet. He said he is affil confirmable. If hes not we kill him.

Supa is supa and his posts make me want to kms. I love him but his effort is always minimal but happy he plays but holy fuck I have a hard time reading anything he says because it's all drivel.

fine with locking him into shit because he plays this way as town or scum and if he's town he 10000000 percent will be a mislynch target later in the game. He's scumreading town lock people because he didnt read the DP. which is a supa thing to do

Rex

Like Mikal has claimed a bulletproof popular caroler? Has the popular been tested? And apparently there was another modslip? A double one? That's what Mikal seems to be saying on the bottom of page eight.

If he's scum why would he even mention this. I think this reads as town. Scum would know i'm popular (I'm not scum so why would I lie). The fact he is wanting to test it reads as town. The rest of the annoyance and being to tired to read also comes off as very Skep like.

Why? I think whiteflame is more than capable of restating the OP as scum, it seems pretty low-effort to me. Why townread him over that?

Agree with this

don't think skep and WF would be scum together off this.

You're the second person to mention this. Does Kohai have a reputation for doing this? Anything other than random role assignment was unthinkable back when I played. It seems like a bizarre thing to speculate about otherwise.

This is either town trying to keep the game on track or scum being upset that awesome or anon are scum with him. Tend to think town

Okay

Lynch order for me

Town Pile

Higher End

Myself

Luna

Max

Thoth

Pie (unless he can't produce what he said this can stay for now)

Mid Town Reads

Unsaid

Skep

Lean Scum

WF

Awesome

Don't know what to do with them

Supa

Potential Pairings

WF Anon

Unsaid Supa

Skep Anon

Skep Unsaid

Supa Anon

This can change based on what pies actual role is. Skep and Unsaid aren't hard town but I think they are more town than WF or Anon by interactions, and poe.

I think I'm okay with

1) making supa full claim, he likely won't contribute much so at least this helps us solve

2) Focusing on WF or Anon today as the lynch

Anon does seem pretty stuck on the fact that his PM is different than Mine and Thoth. This really is the one thing holding me back from going all in on him. Because it reads as genuine and I have no idea why scum would double down on this

VTL WF

Vote Count

Mikal (3/6) , Airmax, Rex, Awesome5000

Airmax1227 (1/6) Thoth

Whiteflame (2/6) Unsaid, Mikal

Not voting: (6/10) Ilikepie, Airmax1227, RexFlavius, Vader, Whiteflame

Pie

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch! 

Day 1 is 72 hours. Day phase 1 ends on Tuesday 9.16 @ 6:00 PM EST

iLikePie - I can't say I've seen much that sticks out about him behaviorally. He's chiefly sussing newer players to the site and those who haven't been as active, which seems like low-hanging fruit, but given that it's DP1, that doesn't raise red flags for me. It is a bit odd how he's townreading me over summarizing the key points from the OP, even if some of those could be overlooked. His softclaim that he's something affiliation confirmable gives me a little more reason to buy into his being town, so for now at least, he's a town lean.

Thoth - I haven't much liked him behaviorally this game, but that response from Kohai to discussion of his PM definitely looks like it's granting him some mod confirmation. It's not as strong as Luna's, especially given how much Mikal's leaning on a PM he's received from Kohai to see this as town confirmation, but it's something. Town lean.

Lunatic - It's not impossible that Luna would somehow engineer the situation to make himself look town confirmed via Discord, but I don't think Kohai would actively facilitate that. Luna's the closest to town confirmed of any player in this game.

awesome5000 - New player to the site, still trying to get what insights I can on him. A couple of oddities among his posts, including a statement about there being "a mason or a hood" (I don't know what the latter is) well before Max claimed Neighborizer. He's mentioned Xenon's Law, something else I don't know anything about (seriously, can someone tell me what that is?), and I think he's claimed a role that could exist in either alignment. He did put himself on the chopping block a bit by saying that the discussions of wincon might mean he goes down first, but he accepts that. Might slightly indicate town, but it's not enough to shift him out of null for me.

Airmax1227 - The Neighborizer claim gives him good towncred and I believe that Mr. Rogers would be in this game. It's possible he's a scum Mason and just passing it off as a townie version of the role, but I townread his decision to full claim (despite my being against it), mainly because it seems to have come from a place of not being caught up in the DP. Town lean.

Rex - There's not a lot to discuss here beyond how he's challenged other peoples' reads, which does look real. He's right that I'd point to specifics from the OP regardless of alignment. I don't see much in the way of reads, though, so he's null to me.

Vader - Not a lot to get into with Vader's posts so far, which have mostly just been short insights sans reads (aside from Pie who he's reading as town due to being aggressive) with some questioning of the mod confirmations. He came out with a POE list, which looks a lot like most lists at this point, but also lists Pie despite him saying he thinks he's town. It's also unclear why he's excluding certain players. Maybe he'll provide more insight into the why of his reads, but absent that, he is null to me.

Mikal - Pointing out town confirmations makes Mikal look pretty townie. It's not impossible that he's using one of those "confirmations" as a basis for getting his partner townread and using it to make himself look townie, and a lot still rubs me the wrong way about his claim - I still don't fully understand why he felt the need to full claim or why his Caroler works in a clearly distinct way - but for the time being, he's a slight town lean.

unsaid - Largely find he's contributing well to the DP and challenging a lot of reads, even if that leads him to sus me. Our styles may be different, but he comes off as one of the more behaviorally town players in just how much and where he's engaging. I don't get the Stalingrad reference, and I don't know much about MU so the name "Moth" doesn't tell me anything. It's more of a gutread than the rest on this list, but I'd still say he's a slight townlean.

Oh yea I dont have any reason for saying Stalingrad either lolz

There is an anti-claim mechanic in play. Softclaims will likely be fine, but unless you have a clearly SOP claim, absolutely do not claim unprompted. We can work through how and who to pressure for claims as the DP goes on, but please do not gift scum extra roles to use during the NP.

There appears to be some mechanic in the game that can affect the day chat. Not clear if that just means for one player (e.g. a Silencer) or some broader mechanic, but if something interrupts the chat for this DP or any future ones, Kohai made it clear that such a mechanic exists.

I want to know how he ties these two points together. I see anti claim, I don't see anything about affecting day chat and it's an odd line to draw from anti claim. This comes off as TMI.

These points don't tie together. They're separate elements in the OP. As for the day chat, please read point #5 under game mechanics:

5. "All factions have day chat. However, there are mechanics that could disable day chat.

It's not TMI for me to go through the OP with a fine-toothed comb and come up with a few separate points that were mentioned there.

this is weird way to frame the possibility of a town lock not being a town lock. Granted it's not a real town lock. It also implies lunatic was lying, and david still cofirmed it. Just a strange statement.

I've now said several times that I believe that Luna was basically town confirmed. The only reason why he might not be is if Kohai literally went in with him on the subterfuge, which I don't believe he would. But yes, I'm going to kick the tires on my thoughts as I'm working through them.

WF bothers me. Most of what he is doing is fluff and he's not really scum hunting. He's town reading and fluffing. This has always bothered me in the past about him and I don't think I have ever missed him as scum. It is true he does this as town as well, but there is something about this game that hits me wrong. It's like hes actively posting but not really giving reads or looking for scum. It's either invalidating other reads, or offering town reads only.

You may have called me as scum before, but you're hardly perfect on this front, particularly when it comes to sussing me when I'm town. That being said, I'd rather not hold up the DP by requiring more more pressure and eventually pushing this to a full claim when we know anti-claim's in play, so I'll at least soft this much: my role is alignment-specific.

I was thinking to myself how western cinema and historical fiction is morally confused in so many examples. Stalingrad being seen as irrelevant while DDay is thought of in western history as the turning point.

another example being how in the american revolution the british are portrayed as evil and then in the napoleaonic wars are portrayed as the good side.

unrelated to mafia but my brain is fuckin weird

You know, more power to you, some strange quirks of history (and how its remembered) in both cases. Two particular favorites of mine to think about as well.

Unvote

So after gauging some responses here are my reads:

Town:

Mikal

Luna

Thoth

I don't typically do hard town reads DP1 but Mikal broke the game and town confirmed the other two players through mechanical glitches.

Lean Town:

Awesome

His initial post about there being a mason/hood just doesn't seem scum to me unless he is scum partners with Airmax. He must have some sort of role which interacts with Airmax's in some way. If he were scum and Airmax were town I don't think he'd reveal that information right off the bat, it'd be giving up a strategically important bit of info for no reason.

Null:

unsaid

I'm really torn. I like some of his earlier posts which felt genuine, but his recent schtick of complaining about the game not moving forward while posting fluff and not even trying to answer the two direct questions I asked him have me second-guessing my initial light town read of him.

Supa/Vader

He's just kinda here, being Supa. I usually can't get a grip on him day one, it's usually something later in the games that make me snap one way or the other with him.

Pie

I'm just not buying Pie at the moment. Some of his reads feel a little contrived and I know that he's a good enough player to fake what he's put out so far.

Lean scum:

Airmax

I don't get the hard town reads on Airmax. The fact that he came right out there and full claimed despite the warnings makes me leery. With the strong anti-claim mechanics that the OP warned about, one of the assumptions I went into this game with is that scum might claim earlier than other people to both normalize it (they won't suffer any consequences for doing so) and coax more town into claiming while also gaining cred for doing so. Who knows what the mechanic is? Maybe it's something they can withhold and drop all at once at the endgame.

Whiteflame:

I just did an iso on him to see if it wasn't just me being paranoid after last game, but yeah I feel like something is off. More of a vibe thing, but he's another player that's hard to read. I feel like if he's kind of my least-null null read. One particular thing that set me a but on edge was pressuring me for activity after I said I wouldn't be able to get on until Monday both on the discord and in this threat. I figured people were combing the Discord yesterday to check the mod confirmations so WF should have seen my recent post. And to chide someone for doing it to Airmax beforehand it feels a little like forced activity, ya know? Like after commenting on mechanical stuff he was grasping for something to post. He's also made it known that he's conscious of the majority lynch policy - starting wagons on inactive players is a great way to burn daylight and then easily engineer a mislynch with the swing of a few votes. You don't have to get six people together, just convince a handful to switch if there are still residual votes from the pressure wagon. I wouldn't be surprised if scum were trying to start such wagons this DP on mislynch targets.

Also, in that vein, all town players should be UNVOTING regularly to avoid that happening if you get caught up in real life and can't come back to the game.

Vote Count

Mikal (2/6) , Airmax, Awesome5000

Airmax1227 (1/6) Thoth

Whiteflame (2/6) Unsaid, Mikal

Not voting: (7/10) Ilikepie, Airmax1227, RexFlavius, Vader, Whiteflame, Rex

Pie

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch! 

Day 1 is 72 hours. Day phase 1 ends on Tuesday 9.16 @ 6:00 PM EST

I will say this

i asked host some questions and unless I get proper answers I don’t think it’s worth it to post

Okay

i am announcing I will officially dropping the reads based on the language of the role PMs