Suikoden Mafia DP2

So you’re buying that I killed you knowing full well that every protective role would be on you. Watchers would be on you, etc. And then Thoth moved the NK to Shining?

Plausible with a Strongman

why didn’t you cc him when he claimed ?

Dawg I literally said:

2) He’s lying about being Ascetic (how would I know that unless I am Ascetic)

Why not just cc it there

but yeah fair

Plausible with a Strongman

Watcher lol. Also, what use is a Strongman if Thoth can literally redirect my target. That’s antithetical to the definition of Strongman

Regardless, this is has been a lot of work catching up on this DP and much as I'd like to post a full set of reads, I'm not really up to it tonight.

For the sake of clarity as to some of the ongoing concerns, though, I will at least give my thoughts on the people that have been scumread.

I don't buy this claim from Thoth at all. The combination of the Ascetic CC and the fact that this just all seems very convenient (not to mention it's unclear how this role functions, e.g. whether he can choose himself as Pie points out) as an explanation for why the target was Shining and not the initially more obvious Mikal. I could absolutely see him plotting this out from the outset of this DP to explain why Mikal survived. As for why he'd claim the Ascetic role, it's a risk to be sure, but I don't see it as a clear out. He could have thought it would give him more cover since scum would be unlikely to claim multiple roles, or maybe he or his partner has a Rolestopper or Asceticizer. If it's the latter, it's not a CC of Ascetic. Also, if Thoth somehow flips town, then yeah, attention would be on Pie. I see that there's some discussion of whether Pie is the actual scum and he got the claim from Shining, but I'll need to ruminate on that.

I'm still unclear on Wylted. Don't love that the Poisoner, a role whose use would get publicly announced, conveniently didn't notice that their role was announced and just put it out there that he'd used it. On the other hand, I do buy that that's probably the towniest move given that claiming it later would look more sus. I'll have to trust Mikal on the lore aspects and how the Poisoner/Healer doesn't make sense for this character, but it still does stand apart a bit regardless.

I don't really get the callout on Vader. Beyond there being a lot of protective roles, which does stand as odd, it's also the only claimed role that explains why REF told me my role could be interfered with. Maybe scum have one too. Maybe that's what Vader's covering for here. It's possible, but the way he described it - that he effectively selects his BG target at the start of the DP and protects that person throughout the DP - answers a question I had after getting the Day Vig role. I figured either the other person would get a chance to stop the Day Vig somehow (didn't happen, REF pretty much input the result as soon as he got it) or there was some other mechanic at play. Vader's mechanic addresses that. Not impossible he's scum, but it fits as well as anything.

That's really all I've got for tonight. I have every reason to buy what Mikal's saying given the result of his action. Obviously, I believe Luna since I had reason to Strengthen him (though that's less strong of a read). The rest... I'll get to in the morning.

I also hate how Mikal is still saying that a Doc and a BG is a CC. Sorry I still think that is not a CC in a 13 person game where they have 2 different mechanics. TBH I am questioning Mikal here because I just feel he has a strong enough presence in this game where he’s going to command game and maybe force a couple of votes to go that way. Very little is known about the theme from most people and he’s the only one with commanding knowledge. I feel like he’s got to be town but I have a funny feeling because there’s no way that you play with Pie so much that you think he’s CC’ing an Aethestic role when he had my mislynch literally right there

Fuck bro

the issue is both of these theme wise make perfect sense

barbosa as aesthetic makes sense

but lepant as a merchant whatever the fuck he claimed and aesthetic also makes sense. He doesn’t want to be Involved so nothing affects him is a decent tie to that

I just have such a strong gut weird feeling about pie. He only comes in to defend himself etc.

Bro a doc a bp and a jail keeper. Yes someone’s prob bullshitting.

So what’s Pie’s incentive to CC’ing that claim then if he’s scum. The most he’s going to do is survive one extra DP and die. That literally does nothing. Thoth’s claim is weird but it’s not crazy.

Hm. Good point.

So what’s Pie’s incentive to CC’ing that claim then if he’s scum. The most he’s going to do is survive one extra DP and die. That literally does nothing. Thoth’s claim is weird but it’s not crazy.

+1

If you think I took Barbarossa from Shining, then I would logically use the role that was there. If it’s not Ascetic, I wouldn’t have said anything and just claimed what Shining had. Again, what incentive exists for me to CC Thoth here?

This semi confirms me, at least confirming I didn't carry out the night kill. Assuming that is nobody thinks you and me are a scum team here.

Sticking up for me as a TP and then teaming up with me would be some crazy ass shit.

Thematically it makes no sense for barbosa to be scum and Teo town. Can you possibly tell me how that would work?

All right plenty of good points on the Pie side I'm being a dumbass. In my defense I am highly distracted. I'll reconsider.

Anyway, out for the night. Peace.

Bro I have this fucking sinking feeling we are going to vote Thoth and get fucked by Pie and Luna

if this dp ends today

also if Thoth flips town. I’m death tunneling Pie

If you think I took Barbarossa from Shining, then I would logically use the role that was there. If it’s not Ascetic, I wouldn’t have said anything and just claimed what Shining had.

I did point this out already

Bro you don’t read. I’m not sayinf barbosa is scum. I’m saying they janitored it.

but lepant as a merchant whatever the fuck he claimed and aesthetic also makes sense. He doesn’t want to be Involved so nothing affects him is a decent tie to that

Youre saying that staying on the sidelines temporarily is a good justification for Ascetic? That’s horseshit lmao. You’re being paranoid. I have zero incentive to CC here

Honestly I had the same weird feeling about Pie, his behavior has just felt different than from his last townie game. But I don't think he's dumb enough to CC knowing it would only win him a Pyrrhic victory (sort of) unless there are some mechanics at play that would mitigate the sacrifice to scum

I just know they have like infinite recruit or some shit and we are going to kill and the game is over.

joshua was empire so I still feel like the theme is some version of empire vs not

but skep sayinf he’s not affilatted with the empire makes me feel like I’m off the mark

Bro I have this fucking sinking feeling we are going to vote Thoth and get fucked by Pie and Luna 

if this dp ends today 

also if Thoth flips town. I’m death tunneling Pie 

Literally at worse it’s 7-3 right now cause having 4 scum + 1 TP is a 13p game is bastard. Unless I magically somehow have 3 kills in the NP, I don’t have a reason to CC here.

If they get a 2x recruit and started with two. Game is over after today.

If they get a 2x recruit and started with two. Game is over after today. 

So you think there are 4 scum + 1 TP in a 13p game?

Low-key I wana vtnl

and just had everyone in the game target Pie and Thoth and not say who they are going to target and if an action goes through we know which one is bullshitting.

I don’t know. I have a sinking feeling this game is going to end today if we get this wrong.

I don’t know. I have a sinking feeling this game is going to end today if we get this wrong.

I sincerely doubt the game will end after DP2 considering the shit show we had the previous game

I have a test due at midnight, so I'm going to ask, despite the scumreads on me, that I be allowed until after then to respond to everything.

If you're Thoth and scum why tf do you tack the Ascetic onto Leprechaun

Low-key I wana vtnl 

and just had everyone in the game target Pie and Thoth and not say who they are going to target and if an action goes through we know which one is bullshitting.

TBH this might be the right play.

If scum has any interference roles we just telegraphed our play