K-Pop Demon Hunters Mafia - DP2

At this point, I'm willing to just let whatever happens happen. If you say you can validate Luna's claim, I'll accept it and vote for Thoth.

Meant to tag you on this.

I didn't say you have reads bouncing all over the place. I said that I don't like much of the reasoning you've used for sussing other players throughout this game. You've dropped some of those points, but they're hard for me to ignore.

Considering I only ever had a light read on thoth before you, I don't really see what you mean about having bad reasoning for sussing other players lol.

As for a town pool, frankly, I don't have one. Pie's null to me. His scumhunting against Thoth looks pretty good, but I've seen him behave this way as scum and town before so my read on him may shift depending on how Thoth flips. Vader can't say anything and didn't say much last DP, so he's null to me too. That leaves you and Thoth, both of whom I have points against. Could you be town? Sure. Is there anything that you've done that specifically stands out to me as townie? Not much. These responses have been the towniest part of your play yet, and they're making me question my read a bit.

So despite having the most "weight" against me (or thoth I guess) you are still willing to drop that because you don't think you have support? Question, how do you lynch scum if you aren't capable of trying to convince others of your reads to accomplish said lynch? Why are you willing to risk people that have townier cases for them (in your "mind")?

As for lynching you, I've recognized now several times that that probably isn't happening. I don't think it's likely that Vader voted for you, I don't think Pie will either, and I can see reasons to lynch either you or Thoth. If/when it comes down to it, I'll support the option that ends with a lynch over one that ends with a deadlock. If you think that's off behavior for me, so be it.

Why isn't the lynch on me happening? Why are you not capable of leading a lynch on someone you clearly think is scummy mr. aggressive?

 Softclaiming your role early doesn't really change anything for me, either, since you would have received the full fake claim as scum and made this call early.

If my claim means nothing then WHY the FUCK did you ask for it?

Dude, I'm tired and I'm not engaging with this anymore. If you don't like how I'm approaching strategy, fine, whatever. We can revisit this in the endgame when you're not exhausted and pushing off sleep. The only thing I'll respond to is this:

If my claim means nothing then WHY the FUCK did you ask for it?

Because I wanted to know if your claim would move the needle for me in a positive direction and because I thought it might. I wasn't sure what your claim was, but I figured it wasn't Vanilla. You giving that claim didn't change my reads because that claim didn't change anything about my perception of you.

Because I wanted to know if your claim would move the needle for me in a positive direction and because I thought it might. I wasn't sure what your claim was, but I figured it wasn't Vanilla. You giving that claim didn't change my reads because that claim didn't change anything about my perception of you.

Yeah your tunneling, but wanting to save face about it and appear open minded, yet you also don't want to lynch your top scum read because your afraid you won't get support for it. Makes sense.

There's no way you are town here man.

going to bed, night yall.

Yeah your tunneling, but wanting to save face about it and appear open minded, yet you also don't want to lynch your top scum read because your afraid you won't get support for it. Makes sense.

Considering I've stated over and over again that I have my issues with Thoth as well and that I've been willing to consider his lynch, and considering that I've made the arguments, received little in the way of responses, and we have now just over 2 hours left to make any lynch happen, yeah, I'll go for the option that has at least some chance of happening.

There's no way you are town here man.

Feel free to prove it to yourself. If you believe I'm scum so solidly, convince everyone else and let's do this.

Softclaiming your role early doesn't really change anything for me, either, since you would have received the full fake claim as scum and made this call early

just thought of something so to respond to this again; you really think the mod would give vanilla as a fake claim? That’s like the worst fake claim ever, anyone can come up with vanilla lol. Just saying

Considering I've stated over and over again that I have my issues with Thoth as well and that I've been willing to consider his lynch, and considering that I've made the arguments, received little in the way of responses, and we have now just over 2 hours left to make any lynch happen, yeah, I'll go for the option that has at least some chance of happening.

keeping options open so that you have more mislynch potential, is what this feels like. Not really a good point in favor of you being town. Would make more sense if you picked a lane and stayed in it, now you willing to lynch Thoth when you heavily questioned and doubted pies reasoning for it earlier.

just thought of something so to respond to this again; you really think the mod would give vanilla as a fake claim? That’s like the worst fake claim ever, anyone can come up with vanilla lol. Just saying 

I was going to say that lol

Vote Count

Thoth (?/3) - Pie, Vader?

Whiteflame (?/3) - Lunatic, Vader?

Lunatic (?/3) - Vader?

Vader (?/3) - Vader?

Thoth (?/3) - Vader?

just thought of something so to respond to this again; you really think the mod would give vanilla as a fake claim? That’s like the worst fake claim ever, anyone can come up with vanilla lol. Just saying

No, but I think someone might just decide not to use the role claim and go with Vanilla. It's not the most obvious choice, but it would hardly be a first.

keeping options open so that you have more mislynch potential, is what this feels like. Not really a good point in favor of you being town. Would make more sense if you picked a lane and stayed in it, now you willing to lynch Thoth when you heavily questioned and doubted pies reasoning for it earlier.

Whatever man. Get some sleep already, this is getting ridiculous. Also, take a look back: I've acknowledged Pie's reasoning has merit and even said I agree with him on several points, even saying he's in my POE this DP after saying he wasn't last DP and repeatedly saying that he'd be my lynch choice absent you. If you want to treat that as me just giving myself an offramp to a different mislynch, fine, but it'd be really nice if you weren't repeatedly caricaturing my arguments.

Might as well just end this DP already. Hopefully Vader voted Thoth.

VTL Thoth

Vote Count

Thoth (?/3) - Pie, Whiteflame,Vader?

Whiteflame (?/3) - Lunatic, Vader?

Lunatic (?/3) - Vader?

Vader (?/3) - Vader?

Thoth (?/3) - Vader?

Time remaining

1 hour and 40 minutes

So either Thoth is a popular or Vader didn’t vote for him. Which brings up the question, who did he vote for?

So either Thoth is a popular or Vader didn’t vote for him. Which brings up the question, who did he vote for?

My guess is Luna, though he could have cast his vote on anyone. Doesn't seem like Luna's coming back to change his vote over, either, so... yeah, this is fun.

Open to ideas at this point.

Unvote

I definitely think we need to lynch today. Annoyed that Thoth isn’t here

Vote Count

Whiteflame (?/3) - Lunatic, Vader?

Thoth (?/3) - Whiteflame,Vader?

Lunatic (?/3) - Vader?

Pie (?/3) - Vader?

Vader (?/3) - Vader?

Time remaining

1 hour and 18 minutes

I unvotef

Edited and fixed

I definitely think we need to lynch today. Annoyed that Thoth isn’t here

That makes two of us, on both fronts. Without him and without a change to Luna's vote, we're stuck either trying to find Vader's vote or sitting on our hands.

Unvote

Might as well remove that while we're at it.

I'll be back and forth, I'm handling an experiment and I'll take breaks where I can.

Thoth is here

Vote Count

Whiteflame (?/3) - Lunatic, Vader?

Thoth (?/3) - Vader?

Lunatic (?/3) - Vader?

Pie (?/3) - Vader?

Vader (?/3) - Vader?

Time remaining

1 hour and 12 minutes

I'm not a fan of Lunatic acting like whiteflame is scumreading him without a second thought. Someone has to go today. Nobody said you are 100% scum.

I don't know what Pie's problem is with the Voodoo Lady ploy. Mafia is a game of behavior. To test behavior, you need reactions. I pushed some buttons that I thought would bait reactions, and I think it's clear in retrospect that I always had the intention of coming clean.

VTL Pie

There is more I could say, but I'm going with my gut.

Vote Count

Whiteflame (?/3) - Lunatic, Vader?

Pie (?/3) - Thoth, Vader?

Thoth (?/3) - Vader?

Lunatic (?/3) - Vader?

Vader (?/3) - Vader?

Time remaining

57 minutes