Madoka Magica - Episode 2

bruh literally everyone feels scummy to me at this point

So I was under the impression that Kohai had gone back in and retracted the offer, so he had declined to begin with, which is why I didn’t include his name.

His reaction was ya okay, I don’t really care about Supa, but REF and Mharman could be scum. He went along with it even though he could’ve argued “but I accepted too.”

Looking back at each post, I think you've made a fair point. He's been inconsistent and sussing people for actions he apparently took as well, even if he regretted the choice. I still don't get why he sees Vader so strongly as town. At minimum, his reads are all over the place and he's deflecting on his own behavior.

Vote Count

whiteflame (1/5) | Kohai

Kohai (1/5) | RexFavilla

Not voting: whiteflame, Mag1cman, ILikePie5, Vader, Wryly, Mikal

1. You are not obviously innocent, but you arer probably in the town patch
2. There was more outcomes than that and that was one of the bad outcomes and obviously this wasn't outted. A lot more benefits than cons yet you are consistently nit picking everything and refuse to actual look to actual arguments

Honestly, I have a bit of a growing suspicion with whiteflame. He said he didn't just assume what he meant in that post and isn't thinking much of it. I also think he hasn't put enough pressure on Kohai for him "hard town reading" me versus like he normally does and what he did to me. I honestly think if I was in the scenario Kohai was in and I didn't claim everything that I did, I would've been put on a spit. Almost like he is protecting him but drawing enough distance away

So I'll claim at this point...

My role is a 2x Redirector. It is definitely a bit fishy, and honestly, this may even be SOP depending on your perspective. Last night, I chose Casey / Mikal, for any action items to be redirected on Magic. This was for 2 reasons

I wanted to see if Magic had something happen to him in terms of a roleblock / action fail / etc. I also thought that if Casey had an investigative role and they see something happen, it can be redirected onto who I thought would be the Nk target after a DP that ends in a no lynch. Worst case scenario, Magic is dead and FoS on Casey/Mikal heightens

If Casey was potentially town and a NK didn't happen (like I see now), it would give a lot of cred too Casey and we can move on. Obviously with the recruiting and such, this makes it different. It also makes it interesting that Magic had only 1 other person visit them as well so curious to see what happens

Alright, so, let me see if I have this straight:

You redirected Casey/Mikal onto Mag1c. I'm not understanding the logic there. You apparently believed Mag1c had a PR since you were looking for some effect from him, and/or you thought Mag1c would be the NK target... but you also believed that Casey could have been investigative and wanted to redirect them to Mag1c to see if that would get results from what you presumed would be a dead target? Sincerely trying to follow the logic of the selection here.

If we assume this is what happened, then yes, we should square away what information this gives us. Casey/Mikal got information that their target was visited by someone else. You should ask if your redirect would have functioned as a visit to Mag1c.

Right now my two biggest scum reads are probably Kohai and Whiteflame at this point. With the unrecruitable mechanic that Wryly claimed to have, I think they are a solid town read from them due solely from a mechanic perspective

Right now I think

Town

Magic

Wryly

Slight Town

Mikal

Null

Rest

Slight scum

Kohai

WF

First off you misread the entire post. The goal was to ultimately test Casey out. If they were a protective, they would protect Magic, who was clear NP1 target in any game based on Dp1. If there was no NK (like there was), the ideal state was to confirm that Casey did a heal. Obviously that didn't work

For investigative, it was too also ensure no fake results were given if they were lying.

The worst case scenario was that the NK went through on Magic and at most, the FoS is on Mikal. It's not hard logic to process

And why aren't you questioning Kohai more on his hard town read on me if you are so questionable on my behavior?

Your redirect would have functioned as a visit to Mag1c.

Asked just now

He did start by saying your target was not visited by someone other than yourself.

and then correct it.

that means magic was visited by someone if super is telling the truth and pie was likely not given his first response.

So, to clarify, this wasn't a straight up Motion Detector, which would tell you if there is any movement, but a role that can detect if someone visits your target. You said it was by someone other than you. Were you informed that there was just one person? And that does seem to suggest that Mag1c was not visited, seems like a mod error gave you a little extra info.

First off you misread the entire post. The goal was to ultimately test Casey out. If they were a protective, they would protect Magic, who was clear NP1 target in any game based on Dp1. If there was no NK (like there was), the ideal state was to confirm that Casey did a heal. Obviously that didn't work

What I'm trying to understand is the decision to target Mag1c, and you gave several competing explanations in that post. Again, this is what you said:

I wanted to see if Magic had something happen to him in terms of a roleblock / action fail / etc. I also thought that if Casey had an investigative role and they see something happen, it can be redirected onto who I thought would be the Nk target after a DP that ends in a no lynch. Worst case scenario, Magic is dead and FoS on Casey/Mikal heightens

If your goal was to redirect Casey because you thought they'd protect Mag1c, fine, but that's not what you said here. You said you thought Casey could have had an investigative role and that, if they were scum, they might RB Mag1c through the redirect. That's what I'm reading.

For investigative, it was too also ensure no fake results were given if they were lying.

Alright, at least you'd know that Casey targeted Mag1c in that instance.

The worst case scenario was that the NK went through on Magic and at most, the FoS is on Mikal. It's not hard logic to process

I think when you're combining a lot of thoughts on how you go about it into a single paragraph and say they were all individual ideas you'd had, it makes it a lot harder to parse.

And why aren't you questioning Kohai more on his hard town read on me if you are so questionable on my behavior?

I've mentioned it multiple times to him, it's been a consistent point I haven't understood in his reads. His townread on you makes me question your behavior, nor have I called you out on your behavior at all. I just couldn't understand your logic in selecting Mag1c. Now that you've separated the ideas out, it makes more sense.

Asked just now

Cool, have to see how that works out.

Mod confirmed

I visit the person whose action you redirect, and the person I redirect the action onto

Honestly, I have a bit of a growing suspicion with whiteflame. He said he didn't just assume what he meant in that post and isn't thinking much of it. I also think he hasn't put enough pressure on Kohai for him "hard town reading" me versus like he normally does and what he did to me. I honestly think if I was in the scenario Kohai was in and I didn't claim everything that I did, I would've been put on a spit. Almost like he is protecting him but drawing enough distance away

I've said that I think the focus of this DP should be on finding whoever is OG scum. I've acknowledged that Kohai could be the recruit, I don't think he is OG. He's already given his claim at this point, so if I'm pressing him at this point, it's because I'd be seeking a lynch. If we've given up on pursuing OG this DP, then I can see reason enough to do so, I'm just not there yet.

Mod confirmed

I visit the person whose action you redirect, and the person I redirect the action onto

Alright, so that comports with Mikal's result.

His townread on you makes me question your behavior, nor have I called you out on your behavior at all.

I miswrote the first part of this sentence. His townread on you doesn’t make me question your behavior.

bruh literally everyone feels scummy to me at this point

Literally a massive clusterfuck

I’m so glad we went back to 72 hours

Alright so let’s go with my patented technique of hunting the original scum in a game with conversions. Worked like a charm last time and we would’ve won if Kohai didn’t throw.

Eight players to start:

Pie

Mharman

Supa

Wryly

Whiteflame

REF

Mikal

Kohai

I am obviously out to begin.

First out of the list is Kohai. I think everyone here is in agreement that if Kohai is scum, he was likely recruited

Second one out of the list is Wryly. Behaviorally she’s been consistent with her town game in DP1 and DP2. I also don’t think it makes sense for her as OG scum to say she’s not recruitable when everyone else received an invite

Third out is Mikal. As the only claimed investigation role at this time regardless of the matter that it is weak af, he could only be the converted scum. Ofc this one is subject to change when other claims come on the table. This one is the weakest out of all of them though.

Fourth out is Supa. I think based on Thoth’s response, Mikal’s results checked out, which at least somewhat verifies Mikal? It’s possible Mikal as scum visited me and is using this role that I’ve never heard of as a cover.

That leaves Whiteflame, Mharman, and REF. I would prefer to go WF since it was his idea to NL, which scum want because it allows them to get the recruitment off.

VTL Whiteflame for claim

Thoughts on above

I basically agree with your analysis. Assuming Kohai is scum, I don't think you'd go through all this effort to push his lynch as his partner, and given that I think Kohai would have to be the recruit (I haven't had time to write up my main reads post as planned), that also means I don't buy Casey/Mikal as OG scum (the timing doesn't work out and I don't think Thoth is doing that much work for Casey in absentia). I agree that the partial confirmation between Mikal's result and Vader's gives him some decent coverage as well, and I don't think Kyuubey would get to use a mass recruit and a redirector in the same night. I'm less certain of Wryly, though I think the decision to stand out with both the statement that she's unrecruitable and then the follow-up that she's part of a very small subset of male characters makes it less likely. Rex is still solidly in my POE, particularly with that theory about Casey/Mikal as OG scum.

I wouldn't keep Mag1c in my POE atm, at least not for OG scum. He was character confirmed last DP, so he can't be Kyuubey. He's either the recruit or he's town.

Anyway, I said I'd claim if anyone else pushed for it, and I will: I'm Homura Akemi and I'm Ascetic. The justification is that I was isolated from others due to being bedridden for half a year and that I don't trust others.

Kohai - Hitomi - Emissary

Vader - Sayaka - 2x Redirector

Mikal - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

REF - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Homura Akemi - Ascetic

Mag1cman - ??? - ???

Wryly - ??? - ???

unvote

Kohai - Hitomi Shizuki - Emissary

Vader - Sayaka Miki - 2x Redirector

Mikal - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

REF - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Homura Akemi - Ascetic

Mag1cman - ??? - ???

Wryly - ??? - ???

I wouldn't keep Mag1c in my POE atm, at least not for OG scum. He was character confirmed last DP, so he can't be Kyuubey. He's either the recruit or he's town. 

Hmm that’s a fair point. So that leaves you and REF basically

I did not care for Rex’s timing on the Kohai vote.

For all else going on in the game, I’ll pick this up tomorrow.

Craziness all around

Hmm that’s a fair point. So that leaves you and REF basically

Assuming Kohai's scum, yes. My read on you in particular rides on that.

I think I'll also head off for the night. Hoping we get out of work a little early before the holiday (depends on the plant we work with, but it usually happens).

Vote Count

whiteflame (1/5) | Kohai

Kohai (1/5) | RexFavilla

Not voting: whiteflame, Mag1cman, ILikePie5, Vader, Wryly, Mikal

Kohai - Hitomi Shizuki - Emissary

Vader - Sayaka Miki - 2x Redirector

Mikal - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

REF - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Homura Akemi - Ascetic

Mag1cman - Madonna Kaname - ???

Wryly - ??? - ???