Madoka Magica - Episode 2

I’m fine with the VTNL

VTNL

*2 hours

Protective roles should be on Wryly tonight. She’s probably the most townie here

In order to solve the game we need to get information that only comes through night kills and lynches. If it turns out that there is no night kills again then we are in the same boat as we are in right now.

There are roles that will be in play during the NP, so I disagree that, even if the NK is stopped, there would be no value to a NL. I get the desire to have any flip in play, but we already have some pretty valuable intel and we'll get more. And since we're still at 8 players, we've got the leeway to do another NL.

Fair

VTNL

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yall don't VTNL actually

just let the timer tick down

I'm still typing reads

unvote plz

Alright, I'll wait.

unvote

Okeydoke then

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Vote Count

VTNL (1/5) | ILikePie5

Kohai (1/5) | RexFavilla

Not voting: whiteflame, Mag1cman, Kohai, Vader, Wryly, Mikal

Once again we are becalmed, waiting patiently for the morally bankrupt ferret and his soul slave to eat away at our numbers. Will they make a kill? Will the ferret's offer simply go out again, to tempt those whose willingness went unrewarded before? Tune in next week on Puella Magi Mafia Madness with Madonna Kaname, singing her hit single "Like a Virgin Magic Girl, Soul Trapped for the Very First Time"

Jesus Christ are we seriously VTNLing two nights in a row? You do realize we have to kill scum eventually, right? We have literally no info to go off of, aside from behavior. Can anyone honestly say that Kohai has been acting like he's town this DP? This is honestly shocking to me. Consider my vote permanently locked on him next DP if we don't lynch today.

To whoever rejected my attempt to leave this godforsaken town behind:

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since your recruitment attempt failed. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill the DDO mafia archive. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for the scum team at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

You do realize we have to kill scum eventually, right?

This is honestly the exact problem I have with no lynching two days in a row.

To whoever rejected my attempt to leave this godforsaken town behind:

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since your recruitment attempt failed. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill the DDO mafia archive. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for the scum team at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

You're on our team special friend

I can't say I'm happy with a VTNL either, I feel like we're getting nowhere.

I'm going to assume there won't be any more movement in this last hour and get back to playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Considering we've got less than an hour left and we're just waiting on Mharman to give us his reads, I can't say I can see much to do with the time left. I can see the value in getting a flip, but that requires getting enough people to agree on a target, and if we're split between that choice and the VTNL, then that won't happen. The NL will happen if we don't get a majority anyway, as it's looking like we won't. I'll check in one more time before I go to bed, but I'm fading fast.

Scratch that, just over an hour left. Don't type tired.

Night actions info helps, plus at odds tomorrow we’ll be forced to lynch. This will be the last NL of the game

Kohai

So DP1 he's telling us not to character claim- not one person. So here's the deal. What the point in TMIing for towncred? There are other ways to try and gain towncred here, and he's going against mafia incentives by warning people about the specifics. We can certify that it did have to do with character claims, since his hidden ability outed only my character, which pairs well with the anticlaim he alleged. And because even Thoth said it was a hidden ability DP1 when my character was outed, we know Kohai didn't know about the specifics of it. So he couldn't have warned us.

I thought he was TMIing DP1 but just by analyzing incentives, I am confident in saying he was town DP1.

DP2 is where it gets more complex. So right off the bat, he says he accepted the offer, and tried to retract the offer when it was too late, but it didn't matter cause he failed (this was clear in his first post; anyone who said he lied has poor reading comprehension). His claim was a point of suspicion for me, but given he was town DP1, it is real.

Looks good right?

But then he says the anticlaim only triggers if two or more people claimed characters, and it is no longer a problem. I have a hard time believing this. It sounds too specific to be true. I think the mafia would want to hide if they got anticlaim on me, while lulling others into a false sense of security. Furthermore, the idea of a hidden role being revealed is absurd. And ofc it would've been revealed NP1, the same night that the someone took a contract and gained access to a hidden ability. For players who have a hidden ability on their card, I wouldn't be shocked if this was revealed to them while their new ability was also revealed. It would explain how Kohai suddenly knows of his original hidden ability.

Throughout the game, Kohai has been boldly asserting scumreads on variouis people. That's fine cause this game is hard to read, but the problem is his logic rarely makes sense, and he seems eager to jump at anyone.

1. His first accusation of Whiteflame ignores the fact that something he said DP1 does make it sound like he has a PR.
2. On the first page, he goes from saying I'm still lock town, to posing a question about me, to then having me in a PoE.
3. His idea that Whiteflame scumslipped by referencing a conversation from DP1 about recruiters.
4. His accusation of a scumslip in #52 is... certainly something.
5. #272 just blatantly assumes the recruiter works in one specific and stupid way. Although to his credit, he did check with Thoth in #289… and then in his next post he immediately uses it to towncase himself. Bruh.
6. Frequent OMGUS of Rex.

Lastly, there’s the cluelessness. early in this DP, he says there’s a recruiter or cult, something that had long been speculated, ignoring clear signs from last day and night that there’s no cult. Then he says we may have multiple recruiters????? (Huh?) Then he thinks the setup is bastard for recruiting multiple people, despite the fact that said recruiter can only get one teammate at the end of it. There’s no way he’s actually this clueless, right? At first I thought it was towny, but after so many instances I feel it’s be disrespectful to say he’s not feigning ignorance here.

And yet, all I need to do to towncase him is to just disrespect him, and also assume Thoth only needed the anticlaim for DP1 only for whatever reason. And tbh, it’s possible.

Scum. Not slight, but not solid either.

oh, and in a other post he said now everyone should character claim. You know what? Hard scum. I’m gonna trust Thoth isn’t that weird. And I’m not gonna disrespect Kohai that much.

Wryly

Immune to recruitment, likely because her character is male and males can’t become magical girls. (YNBAMG?) I buy the claim.

Also has towny behavior in both DPs. I pointed out something I like last DP and I stand by it. She’s misread a few things this DP and I think her ignorance this DP is not close to Kohai’s- meaning it’s within the range of believability.

Hard town.

Lastly, there’s the cluelessness. early in this DP, he says there’s a recruiter or cult, something that had long been speculated, ignoring clear signs from last day and night that there’s no cult. Then he says we may have multiple recruiters????? (Huh?) Then he thinks the setup is bastard for recruiting multiple people, despite the fact that said recruiter can only get one teammate at the end of it.

I will respond to a few points here:

1. I am not used to playing games that have recruit mechanics. Alignment changing mechanics are extremely rare on the sites I more frequently play on. I had forgotten just how often these roles are used here
2. I didn’t believe it would make sense to have a cult and a mafia team in an 8 player game. I was game manager on MU and this would get shot down in a moment.
3. By definition alignment changing roles are bastard
4. Everyone claimed to get an offer and that’s what lead me to thinking we may have multiple teams. Again in an 8 player game in what world does it make sense to target the entire town at once? In every single off site game I’ve ever played the cult recruiter can only recruit one per night phase

The extended reads are appreciated, look forward to seeing the rest in the morning since it seems like a NL is a foregone conclusion at this point.

Kohai back to regular scum. Not solid not slight.

Eh. Still solid actually.

Not to brag but people have always said my ignorance is within the range of believability.

Kohai’s behavior has been all over the place tbh. It’s like he’s in pure defensive mode

The 4 of us can secure the lynch in Kohai right now. His behavior isn’t scum hunting. It’s purely defensive