Barry Mafia - DP2

Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.

My issue with that is that it's pretty ballsy to be the first dude to claim a protective role as scum. The counterclaim risk would be pretty high.

Firstly, I apologize to everyone for my absence. Chronic health problems are to blame. Y'all know I would not lie about that.

That aside, I don't have any solid scumreads. Gun to my head, probably Vader. I have a bad gutread on Pie over end-of-day yesterday, but the points he made about why he went in that direction all make sense to me, and that also means I can't really scumread Rex or Shining for finishing the job. It looks like if one of Rex or Wryly is scum, then the other is also, and I can't really imagine that duo tying themselves so closely since it means Wryly would be the auto-lynch if Rex flips scum. Neither of them are known for taking risks. I guess that leaves Vader as my main FoS.

I'm not full-claiming yet. I'm softing that my character knows how to use a gun and that I think there's a moderate possibility that Lunatic's Informed Townie statement was talking about me. The reason I say that is because the extra nuisance from my role isn't as obvious as the Gravedigger/Ninja combo I think Lunatic would have figured out immediately, even without proof of a Ninja.

You know, I really don't understand why we put much thought into justifications. I can only report back what my DM says. And Kohai doesn't make much sense either sooooo

Lean Town

Wryly

I think that they have actively tried to move this game in a positive direction with their thoughts and activities, as much as they can for a player with limited experience. I think their contributions have been enough. As a new player, I remember when I was first scum I didn’t want to talk too much and was careful with posting. Don’t think wryly is doing that

I think Wryly is experienced at this point. She just made a silly mistake last game, otherwise it was easily the best TP performance I’ve seen

Null

Thoth - not enough behaviorally to go off of

Agreed. Would like a claim from him before the DP ends

FoS

iLikePie- I think no matter you have to put Pie in the FOS. I understand his logic for voting Kohai in that situation but I also know that quick lynching after proclaiming “Kohai” always seems scummy and pivot off your pivot target is a red flag. On the other hand, as scum I don’t think he actively tries to push the game as much as does with reads. I also just think him jumping so easily on that wagon isn’t how he would go about that as scum. He’d be way more calculated

Go read back. I preferred Ceru until the last minute basically, but we simply just didn’t have the votes

Ceru - I honestly could just be overthinking this, but it’s known he has experience and even after rereading DP1, I get his points in this DP but it still doesn’t come off right. Why, even in that position, do you not just claim what your role is??? I just don’t understand the logic there. The logic is that the question he asked to WF was if a cop was in and the answer was yes, so he didn’t want to out a miller. But even then, the miller would have CC’d that by the time he switched to Gravedigger. It’s just not adding up but if I read into it I think I overthought it

I agree that it’s odd not to just SOP full claim. If Ceru lives till LYLO and I’m also alive, it’s gonna suck balls. I also don’t think Ceru has done any scum hunting, which is odd to me. Thematically he started saying a few things but crickets since then. Maybe the SOP I can get over the behavior seems just like he’s skating.

Lean Scum

Shining - don’t love the claim to be honest. Thought I could rule it off to him being lazy but he’d do the same lazy thing as scum too. I also think it’s an easy cover for a RB. his justification also reads WAYYYY too much like a Role Cop or some Lawyer role

Ya I don’t like the justification either, which is why I want Ceru’s thoughts on it. And yes, JK is a common fake claim for Scum Roleblockers. The flip flop also doesn’t make sense for me.

Rex - this is tough but sometimes Rex as scum does obviously scummy things to make yourself overthink things. Lack of activity and a quick vote with limited input in the game (ironic from me), but to jump in a lynch without any justification is so weird

Thats fair, but he has a confirmable role. Whether it’s scummy, only Wryly would know. It’s hard to judge

so I’m fine with either 4 at this point

VTL Supa

Any reason why?

Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.

It’s a very common scum fake claim, and the justification seems a little manufactured, which is why the alarm bells are going off. Plus the complete 180 on behavioral reads

My issue with that is that it's pretty ballsy to be the first dude to claim a protective role as scum. The counterclaim risk would be pretty high.

2 protective roles are possible and pretty common in games. I think the bigger issue is behavior. The hammer is whatever. But the 180 flip from town to scumreading me, especially after he knows I didn’t execute the NK. Combine that with the justification being wacky

Hope you feel better man, but if you’re going to be AWOL, you need to claim

My power is out at home. Hopefully it will be restored by the time I'm back

No I disagree his makes a lot of sense to be honest…

Go read back. I preferred Ceru until the last minute basically, but we simply just didn’t have the votes

The problem is you are giving credit to Rex for the same logic that Kohai gave and still voted Kohai. I think this is just a disagreement of philosophy, but no lynch > mislynch. Obviously we know Kohai wasn’t confirmable but if you wanted to lynch him today after that over Ceru, I would’ve been way more understanding and town read you. It’s kind of contradictory

IMO Wryly has only played like 5-10 games so far. Still wouldn’t call it experienced (no offense). However, I do think they have a base understanding of how to play where any scummy behaviors I would not consider “noob”

Rather I was thinking from a more intricate scum

Just over 22 hours left in the DP.

The problem is you are giving credit to Rex for the same logic that Kohai gave and still voted Kohai. I think this is just a disagreement of philosophy, but no lynch > mislynch.

A no lynch when it’s 7-2 benefits scum lol. I also had behavioral reasons to vote Kohai as well regardless of what he said.

Obviously we know Kohai wasn’t confirmable but if you wanted to lynch him today after that over Ceru, I would’ve been way more understanding and town read you. It’s kind of contradictory

It was no lynch or lynch Kohai who I had behavioral reasons to lynch as well. No lynch purely benefits scum because we lose a lynch on our terms

Name your top three people you would be willing to lynch right now. I’ll start:

Thoth, Shining, Cerulean

Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.

My issue with that is that it's pretty ballsy to be the first dude to claim a protective role as scum. The counterclaim risk would be pretty high.

Yeah I think I said this in #98 and it's my main reason for hesitating on Shining. No one else has yet claimed a protective role either

Cerulean is my top lynch pick right now. Pie is out of reach, but I can easily accept a Cerulean lynch. I don't like his reaction to the Informed flip, and he hasn't looked better. Sadly he escaped Pie's policy lynch.

VTL CERULEAN

Name your top three people you would be willing to lynch right now. I’ll start:

Thoth, Shining, Cerulean

Pie, Supa, Thoth

Pie is out of reach

How so? I see him in four scum piles.

I don't see a successful wagon forming on him within 24 hours, but yeah, I'll hammer him.

How so? I see him in four scum piles.

Why do you scumread me

Pie: Thoth, Cerulean, Shining

Shining: Pie, Cerulean, XXX

REF: Pie, Supa, Thoth

2 - Cerulean

2 - Pie

2 - Thoth

1 - Shining

1 - Supa

I don't see a successful wagon forming on him within 24 hours, but yeah, I'll hammer him.

On what grounds lol. Yes let’s lynch the guy who’s been hard carrying town. Genius idea lol

I'm on the road right now but I see many of us sussed Pie. I listed my reasons and I thought he gave some decent responses. Why is he on y'all's scum pile?

How many shots on your Jailkeeper

If you are town, the only place you are carrying town to is a loss.

As many as I want.

I'm on the road right now but I see many of us sussed Pie. I listed my reasons and I thought he gave some decent responses. Why is he on y'all's scum pile?

His reasoning just seems stretched and more scant than in games where he was town. I don't share or understand many of his scum reads, and I've noticed subtle shifts to drive the lynch onto people who have scumread him this DP, which I interpret as an attempt to mold the late game by establishing himself as an uncontested town leader, not as an honest attempt to scum hunt. Trying to lynch our only claimed protective role with no counterclaim this DP also just seems insane to me from a town perspective, especially since we already lost an investigative role.

If you are town, the only place you are carrying town to is a loss.

How lol