HCBM Mafia DP3

Flailing - I’m not flailing, I’m frustrated, it’s different. When scum gets under pressure they usually collapse. I haven’t collapsed. I’m frustrated.

reaction under pressure is very telling, merely being DEFENSIVE and OMGUSSY isn’t scummy, it’s the aggression that comes with it that is telling. scum usually collapse under pressure.

so yes, I would definitely fight back as scum, I just wouldn’t do it as well and I would eventually give up. I don’t know how to convince people as Town, let alone as scum. as Town I have the advantage that I know I’m town, I don’t have that luxury as scum.

okay well, I am Town and don’t know what else to say. I really am Town and did all those things I did and just fucking said I did.

I sincerely hope Mag1cman isn’t scum playing like this because I really don’t want him to win after he shaded me every which way, and refusing to believe me.

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No, you don’t get to say that. You literally just accused me of keeping my options open AFTER I was close to being lynched, now you’re saying I was doing that before I was to close to being lynched? Can you please make up your mind?

You’ll notice I am not voting you, I wonder why that is?

what does that mean

There’s no contradiction. What are you even talking about?

"You’re hard defending your own lynch. You’re forced into the spotlight."

Yes. You just said this. This was in reference to me keeping my options open, btw. So IT is a contradiction. Because you’re saying it’s okay for me keeping my options open to be so obvious because I don’t want to die, but I’ve been supposedly keeping my options for... pretty much since I claimed Sensor, I think.

I guess I would find it easier to convince people if I was less contrarian but I just don’t have that in me.

It’s straight up not a contradiction. I still don’t understand what you’re seeing.

You’ve been keeping your options open all game. And the part of the post I was talking about with you being forced into spotlight, was in reference to you saying Whiteflame was hiding while you’re not.

Yes, and I’ve been “obvious” all game so it obviously has nothing to do with being in the spotlight.

Time for you to make a decision.

VTL Whiteflame

I hope Whiteflame flips scum, because I probably will die tomorrow if he doesn’t.

So why would you think the concepts of spotlight/non-spotlight and keeping options open, are closely related enough to be contradictory?

Oh my God you fucking incomprehensible tornado of mixed signals

But then again if he is scum, then how does this setup make any sense?

Idk. Crazy. Maybe we should just ignore claims. I don’t know what to think. I don’t like the fact that Thoth disappeared after becoming borderline confirmed Town.

Let’s assume for a moment Thoth really is Governor, but that he’s also Framer or Redirector or something. Does that make sense as scum? Idk.

My default is to still go with my mechanical read, which places Magoroth in the hotseat. Lynching him first just makes more sense from where I'm sitting. Magoroth's behavior with Shining could much more plausibly be bussing than Mag1c's. I think Mag1c has more outs from being plausible scum at this point, mainly through the apparent disjoint between the Sensor results from NP1 (would have to be marked as the only scum on the lynch if he's scum) and the Cop result from NP2 (when he would have been investigated innocent). Generally speaking, the more convoluted and specific the scenario for someone to be scum, the less I buy it.

So while my behavioral read tilts a little more town with these frustrated posts from Magoroth, he lacks any mechanical reason to townread him, and that leads to my vote:

VTL Magoroth

Okay, maybe it’s not a contradiction. It’s still weird for you to be claiming I’ve been under the spotlight and that’s why I’m “obvious” whereas Whiteflame isn’t, when in fact I’ve been “obvious” all game. The natural conclusion is that it has nothing to do with me being under the spotlight and I’m just not sure. I think you’re either scum or you’re ridiculously tunnelled.

UVC

Thoth and Wryly on me

Whoteflame and I on Magoroth

30 minutes left, doing VC on Supa’s behalf

Okay I think whiteflame is scum.

He just gives ridiculously solid reasons to townread me then he votes me. Lynch whiteflame when I flip Sensor.

Look at him. He’s just flailing around. I implore one of you change your mind here.

It might be better if you lynch me now. I’d rather not get mislynched at LyLo.

So, the options are, either you Lynch me now, or you trust me all the game. there is literally no other option.

then you have to pick between [Thoth, Whiteflame, Mag1cman]. I probably think Thoth is the least likely to be scum in this group but I don’t like the fact that he disappeared after a hard town clear on him. would be pretty funny if all four of us were Town and Thoth was scum, just... letting us fight each other

If the alternative is a NL, I'll switch to Mag1c, but this is where I've landed.

I won't let the day result in NL, so I'll switch my vote to Magoroth last second if necessary. My gut is Mag1c. My gut could be wrong.

If you’re gonna lynch me, please lynch me now. This is not frustration speaking, because if you don’t trust me if the person we lynch today flips Town, we are going for a 100% town loss, that is kinda partially on my head. so please, if you don’t trust me if either of those two flips Town, Lynch me right now and you’ll have a chance tomorrow.

I do wonder who dies tomorrow, though.

if Whiteflame really is bodyguard there’s no way he survives tonight, but if he doesn’t survive, would Mag1cman kill him? Idk. We’ll see.

If you're that solid on your pick, Wryly, I'll sheep you and Thoth. As I said earlier, both of you are basically town confirmed, so your decision is the one I trust the most.

Meant to tag you on the above.

Whiteflame, how is anyone town confirmed if Mag1cman is scum?

because it either means you’re some kinda crazy Miller role that you don’t even know about or there’s a Framer/Redirector, in which case, mechanically speaking, it could actually be anyone in this game...

I may be getting as tunnelled as Mag1cman, but Whiteflame’s insistence feels weird. It’s weird to insist on Thoth and Wryly being “basically confirmed Town” when from his perspective, there’s an unexplained “100% scum” between him and Mag1cman from me, when Mag1cman has a clear on him. it just doesn’t make sense.

I would be remiss not to point out that you are the more experienced player.

Can you please switch to Whiteflame? I think Whiteflame is much smarter than this and he wouldn’t have such strong opinions when there’s a claimed cop and sensor who almost 100% make him confirmed scum. it’s bloody weird.

I think if I was Whiteflame, and I was in this situation, I would either disbelieve my claim, Mag1cman’s, or Thoth’s. I certainly don’t understand why he thinks Thoth has to be town.