HCBM Mafia DP3

I have a townread on whiteflame behaviorally, he VTL'd Shining, and if he's lying town were given no protective roles. No.

Official Vote Count

Mag1cman (2/3) - Thoth, Wryly

Magoroth (2/3) - Magic, Whiteflame

Whiteflame (1/3) - Mago

Whiteflame, how is anyone town confirmed if Mag1cman is scum?

because it either means you’re some kinda crazy Miller role that you don’t even know about or there’s a Framer/Redirector, in which case, mechanically speaking, it could actually be anyone in this game...

Assuming your Sensor is real, the only way Thoth or Wryly could be scum is if they Framed Mag1c or me NP1. A Redirector wouldn't have done anything, so that is the only case. It's not nothing, but it's a very specific mechanical play that must have happened just so in order to produce those results. If the scenario is narrow, I don't see it as terribly likely, hence I think both Wryly and Thoth are far less likely to be scum than any of the three of us. If your point is that no one is absolutely town confirmed, then yes, you are correct. But this is how I'm choosing to work through POE.

If Mag1cman flips Town, are you lynching me tomorrow?

Because, if he does, please lynch me now. I do not believe I am capable of convincing you that I am Town tomorrow.

I wil switch to Mag1cman, but only if you say you’re not lynching me tomorrow if he flips Town. Otherwise, please lynch me.

It's so hard for me to believe he's this erratic if he's scum.

I would be remiss not to point out that you are the more experienced player.

Experience has led me wrong plenty often and I often have a hard time reading behavior. Wouldn't be a first for you to make a better call.

Okay. That makes sense, thanks. I forgot about Redirector/Framer. I’m not very good at setup spec/mechanical stuff.

I want to trust Whiteflame here because Sensor + Cop + Tracker is a crazy setup and I don’t think it’s possible.

man even I have to give credit to Magoroth begging to be lynched

unvote

maybe

Okay. That makes sense, thanks. I forgot about Redirector/Framer. I’m not very good at setup spec/mechanical stuff.

It's honestly the only thing I feel like I have a handle on this game and I still feel like I'm missing things.

Official Vote Count

Mag1cman (2/3) - Thoth, Wryly

Magoroth (1/3) - Whiteflame

Whiteflame (1/3) - Mago

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Wait, actually a Framer is possible. Thoth!Framer framed, idk, Whiteflame N1. Idk if anyone would do that, but it’s possible.

Not sure if that’s even possible considering his Governor claim, which didn’t look like a bluff. Idk.

feels like a crazy gambit as scum to bluff Governor then... say “oh jeez I forgot but good thing I didn’t switch"

unlikely as hell lol

I am pretty close to switching to Mag1cman... lol

If Mag1cman flips Town, are you lynching me tomorrow?

Because, if he does, please lynch me now. I do not believe I am capable of convincing you that I am Town tomorrow.

I wil switch to Mag1cman, but only if you say you’re not lynching me tomorrow if he flips Town. Otherwise, please lynch me.

Very well, though you could well be letting the guilty party go free another day by asking this of me.

Yes, it’s possible. Idk.

UNVOTE NOW PLEASE

It is probably Mag1cman, I think.

Occam’s razor says it’s a gambit.

VTL Magoroth

lets just see what happens

I will switch my vote at the last second, and not before.

Mag1cman, very important question, who are you lynching tomorrow if I flip Town?

I still don’t like how Thoth isn’t even here...

lol. I get it now.

you begged to be lynched so Wryly couldn’t possibly pivot to you.

and now if you hammer me it’ll look a little less bad

if by some miracle you flip town, it’s Whiteflame.

You still on

I can actually still hammer you. The question is, who do you Lynch tomorrow if I flip Town?

Whtieflame.

Why not Thoth?

Thoth could be a Framer who framed Whiteflame. Or Kohai. Idk if Framer would frame Kohai and it’s much more likely he could frame Whiteflame, if he had to frame anyone.

Yep, I'm good to shift if you say the word.

Five minutes for any pivots