HCBM Mafia DP4

It’s not a common role there by any means, that’s for sure.

If you do a site search for “sensor”, you get one random BS claim “sensor cop bulletproof” or something and then one gamr where it is a claim made by player, from April of this year. And MS is quite active so this role is by no means common. I wasn’t in that game, either

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=14542345#p14542345

Unrelated, but I’m at the train station and there’s an insane person screaming at the top of her lungs 😐

by the way Wryly, not that it helps my case or anything, but if I didn’t know you were Town, I’d be scumreading you for saying “you like to play impulsively” and all that shit. it doesn’t look like an actual read, more like scumpaint. do you even believe I am scum?

I’ll be replying in case you have anything to ask me, preferably not bullshit like “I know you’re acting Towny but actually you could be an impulsive player that likes to play dangerously regardless of alignment”.

for now I’ve exhausted my brain cells, unless I go and case Whiteflame’s entire game up to this point or look for distancing/fake bussing between him and Shining (here’s hoping there’s no distancing between me and Shining)

Vote Count

Magoroth (1/2) - Whiteflame

Whiteflame (1/2) - Magoroth

NOTE: if the DP ends and I am not around, this DP will remain open until I post endgame

34 hours remain

Bringing gran home Monday and have to work on building a wheelchair ramp today, activity will be sporadic

idk about these emotional plays dude. why do you sound like if Trump played mafia

"SCUMBAG WHITEFLAME is trying to manipulate and discredit me, but what else do you expect from LIARS and MANIPULATORS. Expected better from Wryly. Why can't she see he is CLEARLY THE REDIRECTOR. Could she be secret scum? If she were town she would not be on a smear campaign against yours truly! Maybe in collusion with Scumbag Whiteflame. SAD!"

Lmao

Spent all day building a 12 foot ramp only to find out I have to make it 26 feet to be up to code fml

Guess you're not allowed to just eyeball it and be like "yeah I could push gran up that"

blame that on poor communication with the host. I wasn’t sure which questions to ask, nor how to interpret the answers I was given.

so basically I was told results I get are 100% reliable. Then I asked the host if its possible to see 1 scum on the lynch when in fact there were 0 or 2 and he at first gave me the first answer he gave me at start. then we got into “you are immune to manipulation” and “you are affected by Miller and Godfather”.

obviously, the reason the host said this is because those two roles aren’t in the game

What would this even look like in modchat

"Will it tell me there is 1 scum among those three if there are 0 scum or 2 scum?"

"Your results are guaranteed to be 100% accurate."

"But what does that mean? Will it say 1 scum if there are more or less?"

"Your results are guaranteed to be 100% accurate."

"Okay so I can trust them, nothing interferes with them."

"They are immune to manipulation."

"Would Godfather or Miller interfere with them?"

"Yes"

"Then how can they be immune to manipulation?"

"Haha because Godfather and Miller aren't in the game, oops guess I gave that away."

Spent all day building a 12 foot ramp only to find out I have to make it 26 feet to be up to code fml

If anyone gives you shit about code, tell them to sit in a wheelchair until you finish the 26-foot ramp

I apologize that my obligations have made this DP slow going.

Would this be an accurate summary:

whiteflame's arguments: He was copped innocent, Godfathers are mechanically impossible for the POE at this point, he is the only protective role in the game, the conditions for him being scum are very narrow while the conditions for Magoroth being scum are quite roomy, three investigators is unlikely, and he had no reason to NK Kohai.

Magoroth's arguments: He had no reason to NK Thoth, he had no idea what Sensor even was honestly, he is like totally not scum swearsy realsies, whiteflame has not even sworn swearsy realsies, whiteflame's read of Magoroth (behaviorally town, mechanically scum) had nuance and nuance is sus, the setup makes total sense because town were just given extra offense instead of any defense, whiteflame has to be a Redirector, Bleeder + Bodyguard doesn't make sense (reason unspecified), there is no such thing as "scum conditions being too narrow to be plausible" lol what rot, mechanics don't matter anyway only behavior, and I should just like ignore claims and vibe, just vibe, follow the vibes.

Another batch of Wylted quotes as a peace offering for my inactivity.

Wylted: RM is a dick and We need dicks. The answer is yes. He's a dick. We have 3 types of people on this site. 1. We have assholes that shit on everybody. They Shit on pussies and dicks. These can be considered the mods or the committed trolls and maybe a few others. Mostly though they are mods and religious forum trolls who for some reason sometimes venture out of the religion forum. 2. We have pussies. If you are reading this, this is probably you. The pussies tend to get fucked, by the dicks and shit on by the assholes. This is your most common Dart user, and I unfortunately can not name names for fear of breaking the rules here and being banned. 3. Then you have the dicks. Sure they fuck you pussies. It's true that they also get shit on by assholes, but sometimes, dicks fuck assholes. RM is a dick. We need him to fuck the mods who are assholes. I know. You pussies don't like dicks, because they fuck you. However without the dicks occasionally fucking the assholes, than assholes would just shit all over everything. BOTTOM LINE...... TIME TO FUCK SOME ASSHOLES. VOTE RM FOR PRESIDENT

^ Once upon a time we did a thing called site presidential races and they were always, without exception, a hot mess.

Wylted-Lashwnda: Any dumb fuck can write a article about any damn thing. I don't have time to read every fuckin article in the world, I'm a busy woman. So I look at what an article is about. This article is about how there's no such thing as race. I knows a nigga when I sees one. I knows a honky when I sees one. I knows an Asian when I see one, I knows an Indian (dot) when I sees one, and I knows an Indian (feather) when I sees one. You know who can also pull off this seemingly impossible feat of discernment? Darrell, the crackhead on the corner. You can sit down with your little ole 23-and-me test and I can sit with Darrell and ask him what race every damn person on the street is. I bet he'd get real close to 100%. The whole idea is straight-up retarded, and I know honkies can twist themselves into pretzels when they really wanna believe some retarded shit. I'm not interested in watchin some cracka twist, it's a waste of my time. If believing retarded shit is what it takes to make me '21st century' then I'll go get my nails done. Me and the Vietnamese will hang out in the 16th century, not look at each other talkin about some ole meat-sleeve bullshit . Y'all sound like some kinda serial killer.

"SCUMBAG WHITEFLAME is trying to manipulate and discredit me, but what else do you expect from LIARS and MANIPULATORS. Expected better from Wryly. Why can't she see he is CLEARLY THE REDIRECTOR. Could she be secret scum? If she were town she would not be on a smear campaign against yours truly! Maybe in collusion with Scumbag Whiteflame. SAD!"

I laughed my ass off reading this. You channel Trump's energy so well.

whiteflame's arguments: He was copped innocent, Godfathers are mechanically impossible for the POE at this point, he is the only protective role in the game, the conditions for him being scum are very narrow while the conditions for Magoroth being scum are quite roomy, three investigators is unlikely, and he had no reason to NK Kohai.

Magoroth's arguments: He had no reason to NK Thoth, he had no idea what Sensor even was honestly, he is like totally not scum swearsy realsies, whiteflame has not even sworn swearsy realsies, whiteflame's read of Magoroth (behaviorally town, mechanically scum) had nuance and nuance is sus, the setup makes total sense because town were just given extra offense instead of any defense, whiteflame has to be a Redirector, Bleeder + Bodyguard doesn't make sense (reason unspecified), there is no such thing as "scum conditions being too narrow to be plausible" lol what rot, mechanics don't matter anyway only behavior, and I should just like ignore claims and vibe, just vibe, follow the vibes.

He's made some valid points. I knew I should have swearn swearsy realsies, my one weakness...

Dunno where my response to your summary of my points went in that post. It seems pretty accurate to me.

Also, my spelling could use work. Meant "sworn swearsy realsies," gotta be grammatically correct.

Not to rush you, but we are a little over 10 hours out from the end of the DP. A NL is obviously not an option.

I have a lot to do today coordinating with hospice and working on this 10 mile ramp, so I don't think there's any point dragging this out further. Let's move on to the next game.

My lingering doubts are that Pie said there was no chance the Double Doink wasn't in the game, the question of if and how Rex was tailored remains unresolved, Sensor is listed as rare on MU, and I'm suspicious I would have made it to endgame if my Cop results could be relied upon. whiteflame being alive means scum never even tried to take a shot at me. The Thoth NK still doesn't make sense to me from a scum!Magoroth perspective, nor does Magoroth's unnecessary VTL of Shining. I also expected scum to NK whiteflame before now.

However, none of these are enough to overturn the case against Magoroth imo. His argument is that whiteflame copped innocent because he's a Redirector, meaning Vader put a Ninja in to directly counterbalance Tracker but no Godfather to directly counterbalance Cop, and nothing at all to counterbalance Sensor. No protective roles, not even a Hunter or Bomb or Martyr, is something I can't accept, and that plus three investigatives just tips the setup into the realm of disbelief. Magoroth's arguments have amounted to a lot of wild surmise, emotional plays, wifom, informational flip-flopping, and posturing (which has all been entertaining and he should definitely keep playing with us).

VTL Magoroth

whiteflame, if you flip scum, I don't think there's any way I could have justified voting against you based on the available data, so gg.

Vote Count

Magoroth (2/2) - Whiteflame, Wryly

Whiteflame (1/2) - Magoroth

Magoroth was lynched

He was innocent

At the gym so can’t post endgame. Will leave the DP up for now

Well, I'll say I felt bad putting you in the position of having to make a decision, but kinda had no choice. Figured Thoth would be a very uphill battle and I could make the case pretty effectively to you.

GG.

Whew. That was quite the game. Good job WF. GG all.

😭😭😭😭😭

Lawyers also exist

You don’t know this, but Vader’s setups are historically unbalanced :/

Tell me about it. Town was OP as shit.

Yeah Lawyer definitely drifted off my radar there at the end, guess it was a casualty of my life distractions. Sorry, town.

I had some weak arguments against the Lawyer, but I wasn't about to bring it back up.

I totally solved the game day 2. No wonder I was NK’d.

Gg.

Was fun. Sorry for not defending myself for effectively, I’m not very good at endgaming.