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ISO #211 •••

sorry, functioning off of very little sleep. was literally falling asleep at my computer when I typed that last sentence, no idea what I even meant with Wylted being able to teleport. my point was that is Wylted is the only active person in that PoE.

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ISO #212 •••
--> @Magoroth
\First of all: I agree with your points on Pie. I too thought Pie’s shtick that there were (2?) scum and one Serial Killer, but I didn’t scumread him super hard for it, it is possible for Town to believe things that are sermingly random or strange. i would like for Pie to explain himself.

It is odd that you think I am scum when I am literally pushing pie, is your theory that we are bussing?


sorry, functioning off of very little sleep. was literally falling asleep at my computer when I typed that last sentence, no idea what I even meant with Wylted being able to teleport. my point was that is Wylted is the only active person in that PoE.

To be honest me and you have been the only consistently active people in this game, and even you were missing for a large part of day phase 2 towards the end. So you could technically say most everyone is inactive. Also your points have been a bit all over the place. Maybe you better get some rest so we can continue this in the morning. Happy to do it now, I work graveyard shift so this is normal hours for me, but for your sake it might be better.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #213 •••

Sure. Its just frustrating because my best guess at scum is literally you, and if its not you, then… maybe its Pie, idk, but IMHO it could almost be anyone.

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ISO #214 •••
--> @Magoroth
Sure. Its just frustrating because my best guess at scum is literally you, and if its not you, then… maybe its Pie, idk, but IMHO it could almost be anyone.


There was 12 players in this game. Surely you can come up with more than just me. Like even if you think I am scum theres gotta be 1-2 more so lets get cooking.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #215 •••
--> @Banana
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ISO #216 •••
--> @Magoroth
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ISO #217 •••
--> @whiteflame
Main thing that's holding me back from lynching him is that we could potentially just confirm him next DP. If my math is right, he's claiming to have 7 favor right now, so he could theoretically have the lynchproof next DP. Not saying it solves the game, but maybe the thinking here was that it would be a big boon to town to have someone who is effectively confirmed going into the late game.


Exactly.

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ISO #218 •••
--> @Banana
can someone explain to me why no one is questioning the fact that we have two even night slanderers in wylted in pie? am i missing something, or are we just okay with that?


Because multiples of these types of roles exist per the OP. And I can confirm it tonight

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ISO #219 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Because multiples of these types of roles exist per the OP. And I can confirm it tonight

so multiples of the same roles are aloud to exist for u only? k got it.


vtl pie.

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ISO #220 •••
--> @Banana
what other roles? only thing i can think of is the passives wryly and shining have, but they are both called different things at least. only other duplicate role is the benefactor me and kohai have but its mixed to odd/even night. nothing else is duplicated. the town roles all seem to syngerize with each other as well, like tracker and watcher, vigilante pairs with the unkillable roles like one of whoever whiteflame and luna is are commuter, thoths bulletproof, and i am a ascetic in my final rank as well, so this shows that there is counters to the multiple killing roles after certain ranks since there is also a scum poison.


Very convenient of you to ignore my Strengthener claim

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ISO #221 •••
--> @Banana
so multiples of the same roles are aloud to exist for u only? k got it.

vtl pie.


Nice OMGUS

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ISO #222 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Nice OMGUS

its not omgus if im voting u for another reason besides u voting for me. im voting you because of the hypocrsy of being against cc's to everyone but urself.

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ISO #223 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Very convenient of you to ignore my Strengthener claim

ok what about it? my point is there is 2 slanderers, and no one is sayin anything about it. what does the strengthen have to do with my point

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ISO #224 •••
--> @Banana
its not omgus if im voting u for another reason besides u voting for me. im voting you because of the hypocrsy of being against cc's to everyone but urself. 


What are you even talking about? What hypocrisy? You and Kohai both claimed Benefactor. I’m not scumreading you for that. I’m scum reading you for your Siren claim. There is no objective reason to give a role that functions like that to Town considering the Emperor is mod confirmed town. It only makes sense in the hands of scum.

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ISO #225 •••
--> @Banana
ok what about it? my point is there is 2 slanderers, and no one is sayin anything about it. what does the strengthen have to do with my point


If there can be 2 Benefactors, why can’t there be 2 Slanderers lol. And you’re accusing me of hypocrisy?

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ISO #226 •••
--> @ILikePie5

But if scum have fake claims, wouldn’t Banana claim her fake claim, which presumably shouldn’t arouse suspicion?

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ISO #227 •••
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ISO #228 •••
--> @ILikePie5
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ISO #229 •••
--> @ILikePie5
What are you even talking about? What hypocrisy? You and Kohai both claimed Benefactor. I’m not scumreading you for that. I’m scum reading you for your Siren claim. There is no objective reason to give a role that functions like that to Town considering the Emperor is mod confirmed town. It only makes sense in the hands of scum.

u kno what im talking about. U were trying to scum read shining or wryly for the cc of their passive last dp, or are you denyin that? Cuz it’s tru. And it’s funny you say my role only makes sense with scum when you can litrly take peoples favor away! I give favor and can confirm that on an even night phase. but ur saying im scum for one part my role but not town for the other part? U have flaws in ur logic here mr pie

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ISO #230 •••
--> @ILikePie5
If there can be 2 Benefactors, why can’t there be 2 Slanderers lol. And you’re accusing me of hypocrisy?

the 2 benefactors are on different night tho! Y would the 2 slanderers be on the same night? all these roles seam to have some kind of syngery to them except yours… odd/even, watcher/tracker of different nights, then randomly two even night slanderers… it doesn’t make sense.



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ISO #231 •••

I personally don’t have a problem with lynching Pie or Banana at this point

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Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible!

ISO #232 •••
--> @Vader
I personally don’t have a problem with lynching Pie or Banana at this point

if u do lynch me i just want to kno what i could have done better or differently cuz it seems like im being lynched cuz of my actual role n not my behavior. if im wrong tho lmk

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ISO #233 •••
--> @Banana
wait pie claimed even night slanderer too. why is no one talking about this?

can someone explain to me why no one is questioning the fact that we have two even night slanderers in wylted in pie? am i missing something, or are we just okay with that?


The whole favor system and what balance would look like for roles affecting it is difficult to parse. We know there are multiple roles affecting its allocation. Hell, if our reads are right, two town players in Shining and Wryly effectively got identical passives with different names. I'm taking CCs with a hefty grain of salt this game.

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ISO #234 •••
--> @Magoroth
note that wryly, whiteflame and pie ALL said Lunatic is not completely out of the PoE, he could be scum but not likely. this is basically a form of distancing.


I sincerely have no clue where this is coming from. Since I recruited him (cat's apparently out of the bag on that one), I've had substantial reason to townread him as the sole protective role and the sole means by which to remove the poison that was apparently applied to you. I've never given any indication that he's on the table for a lynch.

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ISO #235 •••
--> @wylted
I don't ever like the habit of waiting to confirm roles. I think it incentivizes scum to do things that extend their lives a DP. It's nonsensical, plus if you town read them or scum read them based on the role itself than it says nothing of your behavioral reads.


Insofar as those roles don't confirm affiliation, I agree.


I am willing to lynch wryly and whiteflame if you can get some traction there , but you seem unable to lead any segment of town here so I'm not sure why I am telling you this.
I like banana behaviorally for some reason I can't put my finger on. I think it was something she did dp1 that I already forgot about


I sincerely have no idea how Wryly's in your POE at this point. I'd like to understand where this read on Banana is coming from.

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ISO #236 •••
--> @whiteflame
I'd like to understand where this read on Banana is coming from

and i would like to kno y u r scum reading me. so far it seems like its based on half of my role pm only

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ISO #237 •••
--> @Kohai

As for where I'm leaning atm, I can't say I like how attention has gone almost completely off of Kohai despite his being pretty commonly in a lot of our POE. I agree with Luna's point about the lack of interaction between these two, which strikes me as odd even with Pie's absences. Even if Pie claims he doesn't have access to his lynchproof next DP, I think a scum flip on Kohai puts the spotlight on Pie next DP.


Regarding Banana, her entreaties about what's wrong with her behaviorally come off as decently townie to me, which hold me back from posting a vote on her. It's mainly that Siren role that is setting me off. I get that the game includes a Miller that unlocks with favor too, but this is much more actively anti-town and apparently available to her early. I don't know why she'd announce that she has a role like this, particularly if she has access to a fake claim, so that's making me hesitant.


If the drive is to lynch Pie, I get why, I just don't think it's the best choice we can make right now. Hence, my vote's going on Kohai.


VTL Kohai

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ISO #238 •••
--> @whiteflame
The whole favor system and what balance would look like for roles affecting it is difficult to parse. We know there are multiple roles affecting its allocation. Hell, if our reads are right, two town players in Shining and Wryly effectively got identical passives with different names. I'm taking CCs with a hefty grain of salt this game.

okay so I don’t buy into all that but even if i do give u that one, i still don’t understand 2 things. why isn’t pies slanderer not scummy but my action is, and why is it okay that he was pressurin shining for a CC when his role was just CCed. Ok letts add a third one in there, why is my veto role more scummy than my confirmable benefactor role?

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ISO #239 •••
--> @Banana
and i would like to kno y u r scum reading me. so far it seems like its based on half of my role pm only


Did I ever say I was scumreading you? You've been in my POE for a while now, but I've been hesitant to push you for a reason (see above).

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ISO #240 •••

Banana is probably Town.

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