Solo Leveling Mafia - DP1

I say don't recruit anyone to make it more likely they will all be dead when the game ends so they all have 0 members

As far as I can tell, there was no reason for Mikal to specify that Mafia don't count towards faction totals, since there won't be any Mafia alive at the end of the game anyway if Town win.

If I correctly understand how guild recruitment works, this could give an interesting game-theoretic solution: If both guilds don't recruit anyone from now on, they will have the same number of members and should all win together. I will ask Mikal whether or not a tie in members lets the guild leader win.

I actually did ask him about this in my PM. He said that the guilds would joint win, so yep, this would work.

Recruit me anyway so we can combine guilds. You will be my queen.

Yes if we openly discuss our recruiting plans, maybe they will look past the fact that were both actually scum and pulling another crazy gambit here. It's so crazy it might just work...

Man, if I were scum here and Mestari and Pie were both town, I would be living the dream vacation. The two fearkill targets going mano-a-mano while I get to kick my feet up. This concerns me.

Mestari vs Pie could be a planned bus for the same reason. Unlikely, but possible

Yes if we openly discuss our recruiting plans, maybe they will look past the fact that were both actually scum and pulling another crazy gambit here. It's so crazy it might just work...

Fuck you for mindfucking me like this

Do I think Mestari as mafia would or wouldn’t? I don’t know. I have zero experience playing with him. But base case it’s scummy. He just seems kinda dumb too tho tbh, so maybe you’re right

Mestari isn't dumb. He is actually imo one of the best we've seen on DDO. I hate saying that because I don't want to boost his ego. He is a bit of an asshole, but that is neither here nor there.

No because mafia who are recruited already and people who die later don't count. It's a stupid mechanic that I'm choosing to ignore because it sets the town up to fail. This is a prisoners experiment where winning is ignoring it altogether. The idea that you play towards the guild wincon means (1) sacrificing the use of town power roles to gain numbers that do nothing to help the town win so long as you continue recruiting, and (2) creates scenarios where you must lynch town over mafia deliberately to win.

I explicitly believe that enabling power roles and having a night where both sides agree to use roles and not recruit is beneficial to the town.

Been meaning to come back to this. I think this is an excellent idea. I think recruiting NP1 should be a given (no NK definitely helps there, and each Guild needs to build up its numbers so they have more night actions to use), then it becomes a question of how often they would agree to do it. Seems worth considering, especially if the Guilds can joint win with the same number of recruits.

What am I fucking thinking, they're town confirmed

I'm so tired

No because mafia who are recruited already and people who die later don't count. It's a stupid mechanic that I'm choosing to ignore because it sets the town up to fail. This is a prisoners experiment where winning is ignoring it altogether. The idea that you play towards the guild wincon means (1) sacrificing the use of town power roles to gain numbers that do nothing to help the town win so long as you continue recruiting, and (2) creates scenarios where you must lynch town over mafia deliberately to win.

Well, yeah? It creates different incentives than exist in a straight Town versus Mafia game. Just because it's different does not make it stupid.

You mean this?

also not gonna hop on your wagon just yet

already explained that

Can you link the post number? I was driving to work and missed like 4 pages that I am frantically trying to catch up on now.

Unvote

What am I fucking thinking, they're town confirmed

Yeah, both Guild Leaders are town confirmed. That much is a given.

So yeah I'll just hard claim my character is kohai. I won't claim roles yet but at least we can get that started

That's 500 points on bingo for "Either claims too early or too late".

Been meaning to come back to this. I think this is an excellent idea. I think recruiting NP1 should be a given (no NK definitely helps there, and each Guild needs to build up its numbers so they have more night actions to use), then it becomes a question of how often they would agree to do it. Seems worth considering, especially if the Guilds can joint win with the same number of recruits.

I think it's actually wiser to say fuck recruiting and just use your actions. With probably six people in guild chats, there's a good chance that Mafia have zero wiretaps now and I don't think taking that risk is worth waiving night actions.

Lunatic

Mestari isn't dumb. He is actually imo the best we've seen on DDO. I hate saying that because I don't want to boost his ego. He is a bit of an asshole, but that is neither here nor there.

Fixed that for you.

Whiteflame

Been meaning to come back to this. I think this is an excellent idea. I think recruiting NP1 should be a given (no NK definitely helps there, and each Guild needs to build up its numbers so they have more night actions to use), then it becomes a question of how often they would agree to do it. Seems worth considering, especially if the Guilds can joint win with the same number of recruits.

I specifically think that the guild leaders should out who they have already recruited and who they will recruit at night so that we can maximize the number of recruited players for the night where we agree to not recruit at all and use all of our actions at the same time. Wasting recruits by targeting the same people means less roles get activated on the big night.

Notwithstanding that, if they know that the guilds will recruit, scum would likely be willing to make major sacrifices to get that interior line. Maybe even hard-bussing a scummate or claiming something confirmable and not following up.

Vote Count

Kohai 3/9 - Mag1cman, ILikePie5, wylted

Mag1cman 2/9 - Casey_Risk, Rex

Pie 1/9 - Mestari

Mestari 1/9 - Alyssa

Just send me to Gary, I want to be with Gary!

That one person who gets your reference and saves you from the crickets 🫂

Nah I liked the Rick and Morty reference too lol

Thoth

I think it's actually wiser to say fuck recruiting and just use your actions. With probably six people in guild chats, there's a good chance that Mafia have zero wiretaps now and I don't think taking that risk is worth waiving night actions.

We're not operating under the assumption that guild chats are mason chats. That's silly. We want more power roles active. There are a lot of night phases to go. Let's get long term value. Trust the process.

We're not operating under the assumption that guild chats are mason chats. That's silly. We want more power roles active. There are a lot of night phases to go. Let's get long term value. Trust the process.

It literally says in the day 1 OP that the guilds have mason chats. Presumably ones that are active during all days and all nights.

It literally says in the day 1 OP that the guilds have mason chats. Presumably ones that are active during all days and all nights.

It also literally states

1. Each guild has a mason PM
2. Mafia can be recruited into guilds
3. Guild members are NOT confirmed town

I specifically think that the guild leaders should out who they have already recruited and who they will recruit at night so that we can maximize the number of recruited players for the night where we agree to not recruit at all and use all of our actions at the same time. Wasting recruits by targeting the same people means less roles get activated on the big night.

Not opposed to this, I will have to think about the pros and cons a little longer though to make sure this is optimal.

Wasting recruits by targeting the same people means less roles get activated on the big night.

If we want a big night, it needs to be as big as possible, so it should be tonight.

It's better to call it a neighbor chat than a mason chat as mason implies town confirmation

I'm reading back to see why you decided to claim

Weren't you the guy who JUST SUGGESTED WE ALL SOFT?!

That's 500 points on bingo for "Either claims too early or too late".

ROFL

To be fair knowing pie's scortched earth play style i was going to be forced to claim this dp anyway

I think it's actually wiser to say fuck recruiting and just use your actions. With probably six people in guild chats, there's a good chance that Mafia have zero wiretaps now and I don't think taking that risk is worth waiving night actions.

I disagree. First off, you're potentially activating more roles for town. Second, you're exchanging more information in the Guild chats, which can allow for a more coordinated plan of attack each NP. That can be a negative if scum or a TP is present, but speaking from experience having recruited Luna in a recent game as scum, being stuck in a chat where you're expected to divulge information and regularly interact can lead to some pretty easy mistakes. It becomes a whole lot harder to hide in a group of, say, 3-5 in a Discord server vs. the whole 17 person game on here. Third, I'm also not convinced "that Mafia have zero wiretaps now". Wylted and Luna went into their recruitments blind. They could absolutely have recruited scum, and especially during DP1, that's going to be harder to determine since there's so little to go off of. The numbers make it less likely than when they recruit more people, but those recruitments will at least be informed by behavior. So, no, I don't think we should assume their channels are clean.