Solo Leveling Mafia - DP1

I know. It's very unlikely, but possible, that they recruited all four scum. But the more they recruit, the higher the probability of at least one scum in each guild grows. (Now I've been nerd-sniped by calculating the probability that at least one scum was recruited on night 0. I know how to do it if they couldn't recruit the same person, but that makes it harder.)

Recruiting scum isn't the end of the world unless they have some role activated upon recruitment. Passing guild leader to one after dying could potentially be bad though.

You are TUF, right?

Yessir

This is 100% pandering to me. There's no way this person didn't read my posts in the pregame and think, "Oh my goodness, Mestari is such a good player and I want to pocket them so I'm going to be an echo chamber for their thoughts." And, to be honest, it's warm in this pocket.

I did, in fact, read your posts in the signups thread. I'm not buddying you, tho. That's something I might have done as a noob, but not now. It's genuinely just an idea I thought of while thinking about the setup, and I think it's a good one.

How do we want to deal with the recruitment thingy? We can't recruit and use abilities in the same night, so it may be beneficial to vtnl a few times to get recruitment up and activate more roles without shortening the game by lynching.

I think vtnling a bunch is a good move if we want scum to win.

Trekie hosted transformers mafia.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4694-the-complete-mafia-archive

You are TUF, right?

Yessir

WOW Somehow I completely forgot about that.

We shouldn't talk about when we received role PMs. There's all kinds of reason for variance. Let's drop out of game info being used as analysis.

Did you rec Rex

We shouldn't talk about when we received role PMs. There's all kinds of reason for variance. Let's drop out of game info being used as analysis.

Absoltuely NOT as this is significant OGI / mod psychie

With this many players our POEs are gonna be hella wide early on, we might not want to pass up any opportunity to winnow it down

I generally agree with not vtnling except at MYLO or starting on evens, but I think it makes sense here. We're certainly not going to have LESS information tomorrow if we don't lynch today.

We shouldn't talk about when we received role PMs. There's all kinds of reason for variance. Let's drop out of game info being used as analysis.

I am happy not talking about it. But I would be lying if I say it didn't effect my recruit decision. Also I am open to being wrong about it as well.

Okay well if you remember transformers mafia at all then you'll know to trust me.

I am going to go ahead and claim that I am Baek Yoonho, leader of the white tiger guild. I am one of the town confirmed players. Since I cannot die np1, I figure it's good to get this out of the way so we don't waste time potentially scum reading me. Its up to the other guild leader if they want to publicly out as well.

Why would you out yourself right away?

Newb question, but why does it matter if it's odds or evens?

Okay well if you remember transformers mafia at all then you'll know to trust me.

I mean I don't remember it honestly. But I already went with the plan, so it doesn't really matter.

I also think the other one shouldn’t reveal at this point. With one, we can have a Doctor/Watcher combo to ensure no shenanigans

How do you know those roles even exist? Most town roles aren't usable yet anyway.

On evens you get a free no lynch. 6 players, 2 scum, 4 town, if you no lynch the mafia reduces the game to 2v3 reducing the poe.

Vote Count

Kohai 3/9 - Mag1cman, ILikePie5, wylted

Mag1cman 2/9 - Casey_Risk, Rex

Pie 1/9 - Mestari

Mestari 1/9 - Alyssa

Thoth 1/9 - Kohai

Why would you out yourself right away?

There was a protracted debate about it. One camp advocated for withholding who the guild leaders were in order to farm alignment-indicative behavioral data, the other advocated for outing right away in order to narrow POE.

On evens you get a free no lynch. 6 players, 2 scum, 4 town, if you no lynch the mafia reduces the game to 2v3 reducing the poe.

Ah, tyvm

For what it's worth, no NP1 kill means we treat the game as if we're on evens.

Why would you out yourself right away?

As you are catching up I am sure you will read my explanation, but tl;dr I thought about it since yesterday and weighed the pros and cons. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision. Ultimately I don't really view the "Negatives" of it outweighing the pros. The only negative I can think of is the one mestari brought up about it being able to potentially use someone mis-reading me as a reason to lynch them. That logic is going to be very player dependent, and town are just as likely to fall into that trap. Its not the worst thing to scum read someone for, but it honestly isn't home run lynch logic either. The benefits are 1. I can't be killed night phase one, 2 I can pass the guild lead to someone in my guild if I do die, 3. I am already beating wylted since he recruited me meaning I don't have to worry about losing a recruit advantage against the other guild leader 4. I don't want town wasting power roles on me 5. I am commonly scum read as town and this saves a lot of time and energy for people to spend time on focusing down the remaining POE without having to spend an excess amount of time trying to read me as well.

All of this outweighs the potential very minor benefit of being able to use lynch logic against someone trying to lynch me who could just as easily be town anyways.

For what it's worth, no NP1 kill means we treat the game as if we're on evens.

FWIW I think we should wait to NL until we are actually on evens

I am Choi Jong-In)

Leader of the. Hunters

Great, now scum already have two crucial pieces of information. Town is playing really well already.

Lowkey Alyssa might be the godfather. There are reasons for this I will not disclose at this time. Just putting it out there.

anyway I'm off to bed. G'night

Black noise on the other hand...

Actually, I think Black Noise is a fine instrumental outro

Great, now scum already have two crucial pieces of information. Town is playing really well already.

I do not see this as fatalistic as a few of you keep making it sound. I am happy to hear your argument though, but so far you just seem to be echoing a hollow statement “that it was dumb” without a lot of support.

Mafia was bound to infiltrate the mason chats and learn the guild leaders' identities anyway, but I find myself agreeing that we could have learned a few things from either withholding the info or declaring it much later in the DP.

You refuse to read the support.

Why are we not lynching Pie again?

Also, somebody tell me who Thoth is please.

Actually, I think Black Noise is a fine instrumental outro

Not a bad track to listen to while playing mafia tbh