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ISO #391 •••
--> @Alyssa
Setting the bar awful low there, aren't you? Don't trip over it.

Oh 100%. Look at any game on DART ever and see where bussing works with 100% efficiency when it has no reason to. You saw me pull the dumbest bus ever and make it work, and I am not even claiming to be a good player. You are making the same mistake I did when I first started playing on DART by raising the bar of skill expectation way higher than it actually is based on DDO games. We have some GOATs in this game though, so maybe this game will be the exception.

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ISO #392 •••
--> @Wryly
Who tf is FT and where tf do you fuckers get the gall to have backstory that predates my introduction to this social community

Fourtouble. Had a profile picture of an old man with a gun. Very good at mafia. He was like Pie's hipster twin in several different ways.

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ISO #393 •••
--> @Wryly
Who tf is FT and where tf do you fuckers get the gall to have backstory that predates my introduction to this social community

FT is FourTrouble. He was a really good player, specifically as town. Hope to see him come back sometime.


I was willing to give Thoth the benefit of the doubt that he was just assuming Mes was a fearkill from observation, but his reaction was kind of fumble-y. My eyebrow has been ratcheted up by one gear tooth

His reaction and response really didn't make sense to me either.

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ISO #394 •••

"Claimed females"


Always the suspicion from the online dudes. I've never worried claimed male users were stealth females.


"YEAH LUNATIC SAYS HE'S A DUDE BUT YOU CAN NEVER REALLY BE SURE AMIRITE LADIES, PICS OR GTFO 'BRO' "

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ISO #395 •••

At this point I am in favor of all the old guard coming back, the collision of personalities this game is lit

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ISO #396 •••
--> @Wryly

You would get a kick out of talking to royalpaladin, then. If you want polarizing personalities, that's her in a nutshell.


Great friend, but god could she flame.

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ISO #397 •••
--> @Wryly
"Claimed females"

Always the suspicion from the online dudes. I've never worried claimed male users were stealth females.

"YEAH LUNATIC SAYS HE'S A DUDE BUT YOU CAN NEVER REALLY BE SURE AMIRITE LADIES, PICS OR GTFO 'BRO' "

Fuck you caught me. I am secretly a female masquerading as a man. HOW DID YOU KNOW!?


At this point I am in favor of all the old guard coming back, the collision of personalities this game is lit

It's kind of nice that the strongest player here isn't necessarily pie as per usual. Not that pie is bad, but we are in the deep end of players with a lot of experience now. Even Helz, who reportedly hails from MU and SC which are reputable mafia sites.




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ISO #398 •••
--> @Alyssa
You would get a kick out of talking to royalpaladin, then. If you want polarizing personalities, that's her in a nutshell.

Great friend, but god could she flame.

I remember I tried black listing her for mafia towards the end. I don't remember why now, but yeah she could be infuriating. But you talk to her literally about anything else outside of mafia she was the chillest person ever.

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ISO #399 •••

ugh how is there already 400 posts? i kind of skimmed a lot but i at least get why thoth is being pressured and can agree that he is scummy. he should probably claim soon

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ISO #400 •••

With 14 pages of content I would like to see some reads lists. I know its still technically early. Ideally from everyone, but mostly from players that haven't posted much or posted at all, like banana, shining, airmax, vader, and Helz. I have some decent reads already but considering I am town confirmed I will keep them for my guild chat for now, or to myself.

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ISO #401 •••

I'm off to bed because I have a job interview tomorrow.


Definitely town pool is me, Luna and Wylted


Small town read on Mestari


Small suspicion on Thoth


Null on everyone else.

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ISO #402 •••

A few things to unpack catching up with the thread. As for me- I rolled wolf. I promise I only want to eat your little ones and elderly as I exercise the greatest evil I can achieve manipulating you all to turn against etch other. Just let me eat your people and we can be friends : )

But I am not ok with anyone being more evil than me. I must be the greatest evil in this game.


Did Lunatic recruit me? I got the offer yes. I will confirm as much which does place them as confirmed town. I did not accept. My role did not need to be in a guild to do the stuff it does and I did not see a real benefit in sharing a chat that offset the cost of expanding the towns PR after conversations with the host about game mechanics. While I am going to avoid unpacking any read of Wylted or Lunatic given I feel both are almost certainly town and Lunatic is effectively confirmed town to me I think expansion of PR’s holds value to the town and for any that question it look at post 377. I never accepted and if I was mafia I would have to gain advantage.

I will not say what I do but I do not need be in a guild to do it. I saw it as a greater issue for me to have a voice in some group chat than me not being able to act if they choose to recruit to unlock more PR functions. 281 of Lunatic also reflects blocking some of the other towns recruitment voicing they had 2 shots go through and somehow blocked 1 from the other side that Wylted did not say was untrue. Sounds like N0 was a disaster for town imo.


Thoth caught my attention a good bit. Some early ‘hanging out’ behavior in 222 and 232 followed by some decent takes in 240. They push in 279 a question of long term returns for short term gains with a slant. This caught my attention. Huge intention tell to be questioned here I see on if enabling more TPR actions should be limited to just locking in who is currently in the groups. While I disagree with their conclusion I also do question the motive for their conclusion.

Externally Wryly hit on a TMI potential on Thoth which I pinged on pretty hard before catching up with chat and seeing their post. I am in a spot of questioning why Thoth would make themselves such a focus with such a complex position to the point I would have targeted questions before potential aggression-

@Thoth

Can you unpack exactly how developing less TPR is beneficial in your head?

What is it that you see as the optimal mech path of using recruitment creating new TPR’s vs using the current ones ability now with the knowledge that only 2 out of 4 town recruitments actually happened?


ILikePie5 caught my attention early but their progression was unremarkable. They push Mestari potentially opportunistically in 40. They then shift though around 193 to a target that was voting Mestari which makes no sense for someone trying to accomplish an easy dunk. Bussing? Distancing? Etc? Lots of questions. I have not seen much from them to feel comfortable either way on them

@ ILikePie5 can you explain your thought process transitioning between Mestari and Kohai (who was voting your Mestari)


Mestari is a subject of focus. Im kinda pissed off about why tbh. I talked about this at length in my wolf chat as I spoke about my desire to eat your children and elderly but effectively nobody is stupid enough to OOG leak “What is a godfather” and a host not reroll. They are semi host confirmed town imo. Not happy about it but I will run with that advantage.


Implcaitions of Mestari- They played a lynch bait play or are very stupid. Ok.. Sure… Ignoring all that bullshit and the horse it rode in on Kohai’s 153 stands out highlighting that ‘slip.’ We can unpack that without touching the angle shooting nonsense. Opportunistic intention tell gunning for the situation with a lot of framing organizational posts and few takes outside of this. Does not look great but in 276 they shift to Thoth which in context is not opportunistic and looks better.

WIFOM /bussing arguments may exist but they are exactly that here. @Kohai independent of that situation I really do not like is a part of the game conversation what else do you see in Mestari? Do you think they would deep fake so far or do you think there is such a slip and why did you full claim so quickly in 197?

To the people reading this I am also seeing a lot of “Im doing vague good organizing things” posts which reflect effort which gets perceived as towny but also excuses doing things in the game while avoiding the uncomfortable things for a scum. I will express limited concern on Kohai’s slot.


RexFavilla is of interest. Apparently one of the two guilds recruited as they verified in 347. Cool. Does nothing to confirm their alignment. I liked their backtracking on Mestari 67 but I just do not see much to peg them one way or the other. Pretty neutral overall but something to take note of.

@RexFavilla Who do you feel should be focused? What do you think about the idea of guilds taking no action vs recruiting?


Casey_Risk caught my attention. They hit on critical information control in 322 but they seem to take very ehh ‘acceptable’ positions to the point I question how many original positions they have. That in mind..

@Casey_Risk Who do you think should be focused on and why?


Alyssa is a higher level of my paranoia on this subject. Everyone has posted but me? Interesting that I am on their mind while that’s not the case. Im going to hold off before saying more but I will vote here and eat some popcorn watching what others see on them.


VTL Alyssa

(Let me know if I voted wrong new to the server and such but they should get some focus)

I do think we should hit hard on the lurkers moving towards EOD targets. From what I am looking at so far I think we have a majority low effort lazy mafia team hoping that Town eats itself while we have 3 smi-confirmed town and some patterns I wont outline yet.

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ISO #403 •••
--> @Helz
Did Lunatic recruit me? I got the offer yes. I will confirm as much which does place them as confirmed town. I did not accept. My role did not need to be in a guild to do the stuff it does and I did not see a real benefit in sharing a chat that offset the cost of expanding the towns PR after conversations with the host about game mechanics. While I am going to avoid unpacking any read of Wylted or Lunatic given I feel both are almost certainly town and Lunatic is effectively confirmed town to me I think expansion of PR’s holds value to the town and for any that question it look at post 377. I never accepted and if I was mafia I would have to gain advantage.
I will not say what I do but I do not need be in a guild to do it. I saw it as a greater issue for me to have a voice in some group chat than me not being able to act if they choose to recruit to unlock more PR functions. 281 of Lunatic also reflects blocking some of the other towns recruitment voicing they had 2 shots go through and somehow blocked 1 from the other side that Wylted did not say was untrue. Sounds like N0 was a disaster for town imo.


(Sigh) While I was curious as to why you didn't join the faction I was hoping you wouldn't publicly say you didn't join. It wasn't much but I had a good bluff going against wylted that I had the better numbers. Was hoping I could use that to maybe wifom him into not playing too much into his wincon thinking it was maybe pointless for him to try if he is behind. Oh well, that's out the window now. But yeah I agree that mafia probably wouldn't give up a chance to be in a mason chat, so it does give you a bit of town cred, which is why I wasn't pressuring you off the bat for this. You drawing attention to the fact that you should get town cred for not joining is another matter, but I am going to try not to overanalyze that.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #404 •••
@RexFavilla Who do you feel should be focused?


Thoth.


What do you think about the idea of guilds taking no action vs recruiting?


Well, I'm biased but I think the Hunter Guild should just not recruit, it will be fine, we can unite to focus on hunting scum together and use our power roles, pinky promise! ;3

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ISO #405 •••
Well, I'm biased but I think the Hunter Guild should just not recruit, it will be fine, we can unite to focus on hunting scum together and use our power roles, pinky promise! ;3

Yes, join the White Tiger guild! We have cookies.


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ISO #406 •••
--> @Helz
Can you unpack exactly how developing less TPR is beneficial in your head?

Obviously I don't think that developing fewer power roles is beneficial by itself, but it comes at the cost of using the existing power roles. Say I got the choice between a million dollars now and a hundred dollars every day for the rest of my life. Considering my age and life expectancy, the hundred dollars every day would probably add up to about two million dollars over my life. However, I would be much better off choosing the million now because it would instantly cure my financial worries and because I could invest the million dollars to make passive income that will pay better than the hundred dollars daily anyway.


I can't say for sure without knowing the setup, but I'm guessing that four ability uses for Town would have been better than recruitment.

What is it that you see as the optimal mech path of using recruitment creating new TPR’s vs using the current ones ability now with the knowledge that only 2 out of 4 town recruitments actually happened?

That overturns my conclusion, especially since, unless I forgot something, it hasn't been claimed whether those unlocked power roles or not. This sways me towards support recruitment over using TPRs, but I'd still like to add that top recruitment targets and top night-kill targets will both be the towniest people, so we should factor in the high chance of a recruit dying unless the guild leader wants to take a risk recruiting someone scummier.


I'm not saying this to throw shade at you, by the way. I have reason to believe that there is a high chance that you are town. I don't want to get into that unless I have to full-claim.

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ISO #407 •••
--> @Thoth

Dont full claim. Fuck that shit.


Claiming your mech status does little to prove any AI anything and just feeds the Mafia info if you are town. Awful thing D1.


Who do you think we should focus on D1 and why?

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ISO #408 •••
--> @Thoth
I don't want to get into that unless I have to full-claim.

I would at the very least like some sort of claim. It doesn't have to be full unless its scummy. Though I have no basis for how a claim would be scummy without knowing the theme split, I can at least do some analysis here on the theme since I am pretty well versed in the show.

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ISO #409 •••
--> @Helz
Who do you think we should focus on D1 and why?

I'd like to see more from the inactives, obviously. There are a few people whom I don't want to see more from. I'm not happy with what I've seen from Kohai, so I'm going to do a quick ISO there.

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ISO #410 •••
--> @Thoth

In addition to a claim I would like your reads list, and who your strongest lynch target is this day phase and why.

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ISO #411 •••
--> @Lunatic
I would at the very least like some sort of claim. It doesn't have to be full unless its scummy. Though I have no basis for how a claim would be scummy without knowing the theme split, I can at least do some analysis here on the theme since I am pretty well versed in the show.

I know next to nothing about this show. What do you think the obvious hero/villain split would be? Do you think this game is based on one season or arc or subplot or spinoff or whatever?


I'll say that I'm pretty sure my character is good in the show.

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ISO #412 •••
--> @Thoth
I know next to nothing about this show. What do you think the obvious hero/villain split would be? Do you think this game is based on one season or arc or subplot or spinoff or whatever?


I would like the claim from you before I answer this. I don't want to get baited into giving you any hints ;-)


I'll say that I'm pretty sure my character is good in the show.

Cool who are they?


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ISO #413 •••
--> @Lunatic
I would like the claim from you before I answer this. I don't want to get baited into giving you any hints ;-)

If I were scum, then don't you think I'd be able to figure out the theme split easily since I would know my scummates' characters?

Cool who are they?

Good question

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ISO #414 •••
--> @Thoth
If I were scum, then don't you think I'd be able to figure out the theme split easily since I would know my scummates' characters?

If you were scum I don't think you would be open about the fact that you know the theme split lol. Also knowing your teams roles doesn't always mean you know the actual split, I feel like this goes without saying.


Good question

Is it one you intend to answer or do we have to give you the kohai treatment from debatecraft players mafia and put you at l-1 and see if you don't get "accidentally" hammered?



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ISO #415 •••
--> @Lunatic
Also knowing your teams roles doesn't always mean you know the actual split, I feel like this goes without saying.

It's only going to take me 30 seconds of Googling unless the theme split is stupidly arcane, and I'm getting the feeling that it's straightforward.

Is it one you intend to answer or do we have to give you the kohai treatment from debatecraft players mafia and put you at l-1 and see if you don't get "accidentally" hammered?

PUNISH ME DADDY

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ISO #416 •••
--> @Wryly
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ISO #417 •••
--> @Wryly
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ISO #418 •••
--> @wylted

I am skeptical of my ability to get tit pics

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ISO #419 •••
--> @Thoth
It's only going to take me 30 seconds of Googling unless the theme split is stupidly arcane, and I'm getting the feeling that it's straightforward.

Then why did you bother asking me for my thoughts on the theme split if you think its that easy to figure out? Why do you think its straightforward?


PUNISH ME DADDY

Say less.


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ISO #420 •••
--> @ILikePie5, @Mag1cman, @Shining, @whiteflame, @wylted

BOYS looks like we got another one that wants to resist claiming. Lets show him how we deal with that type of behavior 'round here. YEEEHHAWWWW


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