Solo Leveling Mafia - DP1

That only applied on night 0

Noted.

+10000

Helz jumped to the top of my town list.

Reciting theory is NAI. What's AI is the way you spin the narrative on those positions that are taken.

Reciting theory is NAI. What's AI is the way you spin the narrative on those positions that are taken.

Reciting theory is extremely AI if people aren't doing it, there's no reason to expect that they will start doing it by themselves, and not following that theory is hurting town. So I consider Helz almost townlock for reciting theory that will probably help us and being insistent about it. The only way I can see him doing that as scum out of frustration that we were not giving him enough of a challenge.

No, but it doesn't mean she wasn't trying defend a known town (or at least non-scum) player for potential town cred.

It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth. "Well if he does flip scum, he still could've gotten the info from somewhere other than me." You don't defend a townie by contradicting their own explanation for their slip-up.

It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth.

Why would I defend Thoth? I'm scumreading him. I just don't want to get caught in the crossfire if/when Thoth flips scum.

I could possibly get behind an Alyssa lynch, but with three scummates talking in his ear, it's harder for me to believe Kohai would have a lackluster fake claim. If you were on his scum team, wouldn't nailing down his fake claim be the first thing you'd do? You'd know he would almost certainly be pressured for a claim DP1, and it would have to look good.

I agree with this. In fact, while I was at first sus of him, Kohai is actually one of my top townreads right now. I started to change my mind when I read your earlier post about him having "quick lynch ptsd". I actually did read through DC Players Mafia (partially because I wanted to see if I'd be included or claimed as a player to sate my ego, partially because it was short enough to read casually), and honestly, Kohai's quick claim feels a lot more like him trying to avoid a repeat of that than him just trying to deflect suspicion as scum. His posts tonight have also felt really towny to me. Plus, there's the fact that a drunk scum player would probably be transparently scummy, I feel.

For Alyssa it comes down to 1. Thoth's affiliation. 2. Establishing high confidence in Alyssa being the no.1 teammate suspect if Thoth is scum. There's a chance Thoth made his Helz/Mestari confusion and is scum anyway which would negate the argument against Alyssa. However, if Thoth is scum and the story is a cover-up, I agree with Alyssa's defense about Thoth just having to ask Mikal who Mestari is. There are other names Lunatic listed but idt they're likely under the assumption he made in his exploration of other possibilities. There is a TMI argument, though: Alyssa's defense, while being a rebuttal to the common argument against her, assumes Thoth's defense is a lie. But it still just comes down to solving Thoth first.

Helz, I agree Mestari is town but his case for it was bad, felt forced. It's weird to me that he wouldn't consider Mestari joking, and instead echoes Kohai's misinterpretation. He's also claimed having a role which I think is mad if he actually has one. Wa also quick to give his character. The lack of concern in both cases is scummy to me. Had some 3p theory which has merit but combined with said lack of concern makes me wonder about projecting 3p. Could be 3p blending in on scumhunting or scum looking for 3p, I can see either.

Pie, I don't like the logic on the Mestari wagon. Pie is aggro but his logic for stuff is worse when he's scum. Really just that.

Kohai, did seem opportunistic in joining that Mestari wagon. I don't really hold Kohai missing Mestari's joke against him anymore. I thought about it but if anyone misses a joke it would be him, and he was tipsy.

Pie and Kohai are obviously pitted against each other here. It seems early for a distancing play, but with fake claims a distance play isn't so bad... but then Kohai just claimed himself. think it's more likely Kohai and Pie are unpaired off that.

Well you opened up in post 3 pushing the narrative that Mestari must be scum. Then 367 you unvote. That was a good look on you but also 383 you had a weird interaction saying you never glaze Tim while doing exactly that. 401 you TR Mestari without reasoning and also cast suspicion on Thoth without reasoning.

502 you invalidate my concerns on you in some respects but you over react to pressure here. Following up after you are very focused on my attention of you which feels very survival focused. You also voice you want hard interactions but when given the opportunity to have them I saw little actual desire outside of "What makes you think I am scum"

There are tangential positional functions I am looking at and I quite honestly dislike how genuine your response to me just now was even if it did have counter OMGUS notes but thats a me problem.

For a clarifying question what in your head evolved your read on Mestari? This would help me quite a bit sorting you.

I'll admit some of Helz's other posts look good- just bothered by what I noted.

It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth.

Okay, but from where I'm standing, that doesn't exactly improve the case for her actually being town.

It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth. "Well if he does flip scum, he still could've gotten the info from somewhere other than me." You don't defend a townie by contradicting their own explanation for their slip-up.

I also wouldn't defend my scummate with an argument more sus than the already dog-ate-my-homework-sounding one I used. I really think it was a pocketing attempt or a misguided defense from a townie whose heart was in the right place. The third explanation is that she was my scummate covering for me, and I just can't see Alyssa defending me that outrageously even as WIFOM. First I say I misremembered something, and then you suggest that I misremembered what I misremembered? Mister Fantastic would be impressed at that reach

And again, if I heard this from Alyssa in scum chat, I would have just said I heard it from Mikal during signups and everyone would have dropped the point instantly.

I actually did read through DC Players Mafia (partially because I wanted to see if I'd be included or claimed as a player to sate my ego, partially because it was short enough to read casually)

You were not in the game yourself, but in case you didn't check the endgame thread, your Deltarune game got a shout-out.

everyone else is still null, except for Casey but I haven't evaluated her yet. I still need to do that.

I dont wanna lynch Airmax. I would rather give him more time show up than lynch blind. We could stall out the DP to do that, only hammering/vtnling at the last hour.

You were not in the game yourself, but in case you didn't check the endgame thread, your Deltarune game got a shout-out.

I know, I read the whole thing. I did like the way you repurposed my Dreaming God

That only applied on night 0

Can we kill the thing already?

I finally had a chance to put my Prisoner's Dilemma role in a game after waiting for months, and then Wryly waived it and it got roleblocked anyway.

Can we kill the thing already?

Nah. You'll need to page Doctor Doom for help there.

Reciting theory is extremely AI if people aren't doing it, there's no reason to expect that they will start doing it by themselves, and not following that theory is hurting town. So I consider Helz almost townlock for reciting theory that will probably help us and being insistent about it. The only way I can see him doing that as scum out of frustration that we were not giving him enough of a challenge.

If only you knew the amount of games I won telling people how to more effectively play the game. There's a gap between where they are at and where they want to be, and that gap is easy to exploit.

Well you opened up in post 3 pushing the narrative that Mestari must be scum.

It was an RVS vote.

401 you TR Mestari without reasoning and also cast suspicion on Thoth without reasoning.

Pie (or Luna? Might've been Luna, actually), asked for reads from people so I provided my reads before going to bed. I'm not going to spend every post elaborating on every detail if it's not necessary to avoid making these DPs longer than they need to be. You're always free to ask me to elaborate on something if you want details.

Following up after you are very focused on my attention of you which feels very survival focused.

In part that's fair. The brunt of it is I want to put you in my town pile for the reasons I stated just a few posts ago. So I'd like to also be in yours so that we can collaborate more freely to find scum. My vote's still pressuring, but if I can also spend some time to answer your concerns, it'll help things long term. So short term survival focus will help us find scum faster long term, if that makes sense.

For a clarifying question what in your head evolved your read on Mestari? This would help me quite a bit sorting you.

That's going to be hard to definitively point to. I've known Mestari for ~13-14 years. It's largely gut based in that, from my experience and knowledge of him, I'd wager his behavior this game is more likely to be town!Mestari than scum!Mestari.

Thoth is still my strongest scumread. I get that Whiteflame says it's not likely to be a fake claim for being so obscure, but then we have to ask why he has something so obscure as town. I still hate the behavior there.

He would be my lynch here but 1. he has claimed a role that can be tested. 2. if he is scum, he only buys at most 1 DP.

May be 0 DPs bought in practice. I didn't like the math on Mestari's idea to vtnl multiple times, but with no NK, a single vtnl is pretty good. VTNLing here is basically just extending DP1, but with a halftime for night actions (and hence info from said night actions); we still have 17 heading into DP2.

I finally had a chance to put my Prisoner's Dilemma role in a game after waiting for months, and then Wryly waived it and it got roleblocked anyway.

You were concerned it was too late to get responses from our potential dilemma targets, and I agreed. Alas.

If Thoth is town, Airmax is scum btw.

He has claimed a role that the guild leaders will not verify for stated reasons, and another role that might be verifiable under the right conditions. That's a wash.

A recruitment invitation from a guild leader could end this uncertainty, but they're not exactly incentivized to select him.

Pie/Kohai being good info on each other, Thoth being good info on Alyssa, but Thoth has a falsifiable role claim. I prefer VTNL. Beyond that, preferred lynches are Thoth, Pie, Kohai, Helz, in that order.

If Thoth is town, Airmax is scum btw.

Stop dangling cryptic fruit and elaborate you fucking tease

If Thoth is town, Airmax is scum btw.

What makes you say that?

Guild leaders wont test it? Why not?

Wagonomics and knowing that the mod didn't randomize roles and alignment assignments.

Tim is the walking definition of a tease.

Guild leaders wont test it? Why not?

#747