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Solo Leveling DP 5

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ISO #121 •••

DP3 #467 Banana immediately assumes Rex lied and not that Pie was framed, probably should have noted that at the time

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ISO #122 •••
--> @whiteflame

Could be possible. Again, you're last in the PoE, I just have to accept that you're in it.

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ISO #123 •••
--> @Kohai

I just frankly don't agree with removing Mestari by POE as you have, and I'm still a little unclear on what happened with Awesome and REF, so I can't say I agree with how you've gone through this list yet. I don't mind if you want to keep me in your POE as well, but I legitimately cannot see a world in which SJW is on a scum team with Ants.

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ISO #124 •••

I've got to finish up here at work, but I'll come back to this afterward.

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ISO #125 •••
--> @Wryly
Come on guys


I don’t think you’re getting me.


Without a Strengthener, there’s a 50/50 shot you get an inno on REF right?


Supposedly with strengthening it’s 100% shot you get an inno on him, assuming he’s town



Did you ask how Godfather or Lawyer would interact?

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ISO #126 •••
--> @ILikePie5
I don’t think you’re getting me.



Without a Strengthener, there’s a 50/50 shot you get an inno on REF right?



Supposedly with strengthening it’s 100% shot you get an inno on him, assuming he’s town





Did you ask how Godfather or Lawyer would interact?


I asked these questions days ago. Strengthener would negate those roles.

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ISO #127 •••
--> @whiteflame
I just frankly don't agree with removing Mestari by POE as you have, and I'm still a little unclear on what happened with Awesome and REF, so I can't say I agree with how you've gone through this list yet. I don't mind if you want to keep me in your POE as well, but I legitimately cannot see a world in which SJW is on a scum team with Ants.


I don’t see Mestari as being scum especially with Thoth’s open scum slip talking about him being a fear kill. I just don’t see him as scum.


I don’t see banana as being paired with mag1c


I’m just very lost with the overall game state

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #128 •••
--> @Mestari
Was there any discussion in guild chat about the Mod Narrative event that led to Wylted's death prior to Wylted challenging the king and dying?


Yes, which is why he posted the quotes that SJW says

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ISO #129 •••
--> @Mestari
 asked these questions days ago. Strengthener would negate those roles.


I’ve asked them myself just now. I want to know if Wryly herself considered them before committing to this investigation



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ISO #130 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Yes, which is why he posted the quotes that SJW says


Based on your interpretation of the conversation, do you feel he was baiting one of you into taking bullet by challenging the king?

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ISO #131 •••
--> @ILikePie5

That's my bad, I misinterpreted my role. It specifically says that my results would be false AND randomized. I took this to be a restatement - that they would be randomized and therefore false. Only after wryly revealed her gambit and her assumption that I would give false results did I think 'oh shit, is it false or randomized in the case of a cop?'


I asked Mikal, and he said for binary results like a cop's inno/guilty it would always return false results and for open-ended results like tracking, watcher, etc. it would just spit out something random. He also confirmed that a strengthener would pierce and override all of these.

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ISO #132 •••

Any last questions for me before I clock in?

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ISO #133 •••
--> @Mestari
Based on your interpretation of the conversation, do you feel he was baiting one of you into taking bullet by challenging the king?


He was thinking of things to say in response to the quote. But he never told us to say anything. It was me who told wylted to just say yes for the memes

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ISO #134 •••
--> @ILikePie5

That's a plus for Whiteflame. It's probably Kohai + Banana tbh. IDK why I have a hard-on for Whiteflame. Neither Thoth nor Alyssa jumping to the Kohai wagon is pretty damning.

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ISO #135 •••

Pie and I talked about the Shining lynch last DP in guild chat. I felt if Shining was somehow town (yes Rex I see that he was), the odds are high it's Kohai/Banana. 1. Based on Kohai vs Shining being something that didn't peg me as scum v scum, 2. General scumminess of Kohai, 3. Banana vs Shining from last DP.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #136 •••

Eh, I know why I have a hard on. Because I don't want to have been wrong about banana being town..ego, lol

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ISO #137 •••
--> @Mestari

I can't think of a game that had poison and no way to cure it on this site. Asking how it was cured would be the norm, and upon realizing it could be cured it's not fancy play to realize the doc was still alive and that poisoning a player would basically narrow POE and town confirm someone, something that scum want even less if they are going to be half wiped out by DP3. That's not pursuing your wincon, it's hampering it. When you could instead use it to manipulate to cop into protecting scum and have a free NK while farming lots of towncred, why not do that?

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ISO #138 •••
--> @Mestari

Alyssa tried pushing a CW onto me on day 2


https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3o/solo-leveling---dp2?page=9&comment_number=242


Alyssa knows she’s getting lynched. Why would she try and push a CW onto another wolf?

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #139 •••
--> @Kohai

I'm talking D1 when you had 3 players on you, 2 of which are confirmed town at this point and 1 is presumably town.

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ISO #140 •••
--> @RexFavilla

I'll think more on this after work.

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ISO #141 •••
--> @ILikePie5
I don’t think you’re getting me.

Without a Strengthener, there’s a 50/50 shot you get an inno on REF right?

Supposedly with strengthening it’s 100% shot you get an inno on him, assuming he’s town

Did you ask how Godfather or Lawyer would interact?


  1. I already answered that. I assumed the randomizer role always returned a misleading result, which was an oversight of mine. Rex is confirming it does always return a misleading result, but it's something I should have considered beforehand.
  2. I asked if Strengthener would negate a Lawyer, Redirector, Bus Driver, and a result-randomizing ability. I didn't ask about Godfather specifically, since the inno check on Alyssa indicated they had a Lawyer, and I didn't think they'd get both a Lawyer and a GF. Regardless, Mikal's responses indicated Strengthener would take priority in that case as well.

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ISO #142 •••
--> @Wryly

Alright, without knowing your plan, it makes sense here that Awesome and REF are lean town. Odd way to run a Strengthener, but makes sense. That leaves


Banana

Kohai

Mestari


and Mag1c to a lesser extent

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ISO #143 •••

My POE is Banana, Kohai, Mag1c, Mestari, whiteflame, in that order. whiteflame probably shouldn't even be on that list because I'm not buying that Mikal gave scum a Poisoner and an Injurer, but the revelations so far have destroyed my confidence in my ability to modpsych Mikal.


I'm also not quite sure if I buy this whole "Mestari wiped out two scummates to activate his Ant King" power yet, but we can explore that further down the line. At least I have a claim to analyze with Mestari, which is more than I can say of Mag1c, so that puts Mag1c higher up in the POE.

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ISO #144 •••
--> @ILikePie5

Who did you jailkeep last night

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ISO #145 •••
--> @Wryly
Who did you jailkeep last night


Banana

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ISO #146 •••
--> @ILikePie5

Nah, you would've known they wouldn't send her to do the NK again on the chance Shining would flip town

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ISO #147 •••

Mm, maybe you really thought Shining would flip scum.

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ISO #148 •••

I've really let 3P fall by the wayside of my considerations here.

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ISO #149 •••
--> @Wryly
Nah, you would've known they wouldn't send her to do the NK again on the chance Shining would flip town


My thought process was that I could choose someone else, but the odds of me catching scum were like less than 20%. I figured Banana was likely to be scum and at the very least, I can prevent her from committing any other actions.


The problem here is that Mag1cman’s action failed last night, which means I was deflected off of Banana or redirected, but Banana couldn’t have done either of those actions.

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ISO #150 •••

I think Banana is basically outted at this point. I doubt she’s the Redirector/Deflector. Makes more sense that she’s a Lawyer with the innocent on Alyssa

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