Solo Leveling DP 5

I really want to trust Luna's read on REF, but that's so far the strongest reason I have to townread him and I can't say it's strong enough at this point to keep him out of POE. The role itself is interesting enough that I have trouble believing it's a fake claim, so he's still slight town to me, but only just.

I have few behavior things I like but it's not super strong.

Kohai is a bit of an odd duck. I have a little more reason to townread him than not, but I'll have to go back through his posts and see if that holds up. Didn't like him early in the game, but he's given me more reason to townread him as the game has gone on. Maybe that's just from my experience with him as scum coloring my opinion.

I'm highly confident he's scum here. He TMI'd two DPs ago and he vs Shining has been a thing all game long.

And that leaves three.

Banana and Awesome are the obvious ones, I don't think any of us have strong reasons to buy their claims at this point. I think Awesome's claim looks like something Mikal would make up, but that's about the best I can say about him. And Banana was on the verge of being lynched last DP in direct opposition to Shining who has flipped town, so she's bound to look scummy at this point.

I could see either with Kohai at this point.

Mestari is tricky. I think a lot of people are quick to write him off as town because he was very effectively scum hunting and helped take down both Thoth and Alyssa. In almost any other game, I would agree and view him as almost certainly town. But this isn't a usual game. The activation of the Ant King mid-game makes me question whether scum have a player who is/was separate from the main scum team and sees a benefit in taking down much of the scum team to boot. The Ant King activated only after the Ant Queen was lynched, so yes, I could see that as either part of their wincon or just a way to take over and run the team on their own. Thoth and Alyssa would probably have flamed out without his help, so I can absolutely see wanting to change things up to put both himself and the remaining member of the scum team in better position. This theory is not a reason to outright scumread him, but it colors my perspective of behaviors I was reading as townie for much of the early game.

I have a few town behavior things I like about Mestari but honestly this isn't that crazy of a theory. I didn't consider this.

#52 seems kinda genuine. dammit Banana quit finding ways of giving me pause

#52 seems kinda genuine. dammit Banana quit finding ways of giving me pause

The outrage doesn’t mean anything. She faked it all game in Game Show Mafia

My worry is the SJW is a TP who can choose to side with scum, not that he was given as a fake claim.

fwiw I've been trying to poke Whitelfame now and then in guild chat about this.

Wryly basically said she was going to investigate but not who and had Awesome strengthen her. He says he did. I confirmed to Mikal that if a non-strengthened cop targeted me, they would get a guilty, and if a strengthened cop targeted me, they would get an innocent. Wryly got an innocent on me. This was all her plan, literally nobody knew who she was targeting. So, If Wryly is the town cop (which everyone accepts as far as I know) it proves that I am town and that Awesome is a strengthener and strengthened Wryly instead of doing something else. There was no way to bus drive the targets as they had no way to know it was me. We did mention Banana as a possible investigative target, so there is the small possibility that it's an Awesome/Banana scum team and they have a redirector and manipulated the result to get a false inno because they thought Banana would be investigated, but unless Banana flips scum Awesome is basically town.

Can you two confirm this?

@Wryly are you able to confirm the bolded part by asking Mikal?

Already asked him, awaiting response

i also asked him

its frustrating that i am just being automatically acepted as scum, no one is even considrin me being town. i know i am town so i know this is going to be a mislynch. im not even sure any of u will get any good info off my flip bcuz everyone is clerly reading me scum so can just say that it was a lynch that was always going to happen and no one looks scummy for being involved in it. idek how this helps town in anyway. but if eliminating me from poe helps then ig its worth it, just sux i cant really do much more here.

I asked you questions which you haven’t answered

where?

#47

Okay u did answer my b

What are your comments on what Wryly did with Awesome and REF?

What are your comments on what Wryly did with Awesome and REF?

if awesome is scum then the motivate didn't work and the results are meaningless. rex is likly scum fmpov but i doubt he gets lynched if u guys are buying the results

if awesome is scum then the motivate didn't work and the results are meaningless. rex is likly scum fmpov but i doubt he gets lynched if u guys are buying the results

Forget about who were going to lynch be not lynch. Help me unpack this.

If you think Awesome and REF are scum and Wryly is town, how did Wryly get an innocent result on REF?

Forget about who were going to lynch be not lynch. Help me unpack this.

If you think Awesome and REF are scum and Wryly is town, how did Wryly get an innocent result on REF?

how did she get an innocent on alyssa and a guilty on you?

how did she get an innocent on alyssa and a guilty on you?

We determined that on me, it was probably the fact that I was in a different guild. As for Alyssa, the running theory is that she was Lawyered

We determined that on me, it was probably the fact that I was in a different guild.

do u know that for fact or are we just assuming that?

As for Alyssa, the running theory is that she was Lawyered

so why wouldnt that answer apply to rex? assuming awesome is town is the only way 2 know the result wasnt tampered with which imo is assuming a lot

do u know that for fact or are we just assuming that?

Mikal basically confirmed that yesterday.

so why wouldnt that answer apply to rex? assuming awesome is town is the only way 2 know the result wasnt tampered with which imo is assuming a lot 

Ok. If REF is scum is claiming Miller, why would he lawyer himself?

What are your comments on what Wryly did with Awesome and REF?

it was pretty clever if u think about it and I dont think shes gotten enough credit for it, like i can see why she did it and i dont see any flaws in her reasoning n i am in awe tbh

Mikal basically confirmed that yesterday.

where?

Ok. If REF is scum is claiming Miller, why would he lawyer himself?

is that his actual claim or what we are lazily assuming his claim is?

where?

In the previous DP.

is that his actual claim or what we are lazily assuming his claim is?

That’s what he claimed.

In the previous DP.

where

That’s what he claimed.

where

There are only two ways, as I see it, that my result does not clear awesome and Rex.

Scenario #1: awesome and Rex are both scum, they targeted Banana for the NK on NP3 for some reason, and Rex lawyered NP4. I'm not buying this. There's also the possibility they YOLO'd an NK on Pie and Vader stopped the NK. Not buying that either.

Scenario #2: awesome is scum and redirected me onto a townie. If Pie was redirected, this is impossible.

you r a banana too!

Lol I changed it for my cheeky post on #170 but I'll change it back soon I promise.

There is only one true Banana!

it was pretty clever if u think about it and I dont think shes gotten enough credit for it, like i can see why she did it and i dont see any flaws in her reasoning n i am in awe tbh

Lmao I genuinely thought Banana said this and I was townreading it so hard

Lmao I genuinely thought Banana said this and I was townreading it so hard

Can you link Banana where REF claimed and where u said that Mikal basically confirmed that opposite guild would investigate guilty

the question pies asking me all the time are questions that are designed to make me look scumy, and not look at alternative reasons for. why am i the only one that should be thinking of different reasons results can produce different actions? its abuntly clear there is several reasons for actions to interact with each other but it feels like ur just choosing to believe in the ones that put me in the poe over everyone else. idk why im the only one that has to answer these questions. if u have ur mind made up do what ur gonna do