A-Random wrote:
This is literally retarded
Just outs power roles and scum will just default to vt
We literally will get 0 info off a mass claim and also end up having our prs outed
Feels a little bit weird to be disagreeing with my own slot, but yeah, I think massclaiming is pro-scum on balance here
^ see how this guy replies to gerard, but does not reply to me and at least 1 other person asking him to claim multiple times, including in huge letters
Let him cook. This person already indicated they aren't VT, since they said that Caine's VT claim is scummy. Meaning there is a solid chance this person is confirmed town.
Magoroth wrote:
Important Announcement
I neglected to mention this in the rules, but simple crytopgraphic cyphers are allowed this game to protect one’s identity. Any code must be solvable by hand, and you need to explain to me how it’s solved.
I absolutely do not understand the point of this. Can someone explain it to me?
VT is always going to be a little bit sus except maybe in a game with like, two or three PRs, because it can't be CC'ed. It's only a relatively weak point against his favor tho
VT is more sus in a normal game, and by normal I mean a heavy mech style game like what you and me are used to. But Magoroth comes from MU where VT's are way more common. Also the set up thread basically tells us that there is multiple VT's if you analyze it closely, so in this situation, I am almost going to treat VT's as the standard.
I absolutely do not understand the point of this. Can someone explain it to me?
You can't make a cipher that's unsolvable by anyone else. I asked Mago if we could encrypt and decrypt using ROT-13 and other online languages that are public access though, and he said yes, so our solution is to use some sort of cipher for claiming like AES that unlocks the cipher with a pass phrase or word code.
A-Llewella wrote:
Then die
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Interesting response. You gona say anything other than just wagoning?
Has Llewella been this unhelpful the whole DP?
A-Gerard wrote:
VT is always going to be a little bit sus except maybe in a game with like, two or three PRs, because it can't be CC'ed. It's only a relatively weak point against his favor tho
VT is more sus in a normal game, and by normal I mean a heavy mech style game like what you and me are used to. But Magoroth comes from MU where VT's are way more common. Also the set up thread basically tells us that there is multiple VT's if you analyze it closely, so in this situation, I am almost going to treat VT's as the standard.
Fair enough, I get where you're coming from. This is definitely a very different sort of game from the ones we normally have on here, I think switching things up occasionally is a good thing. The only thing is that I don't think anonymous games work well on really small communities like this. Everyone knows everyone else too well.
Has Llewella been this unhelpful the whole DP?
They are doing some weird self challenge where they only post half as much as they want to. They have also gone out of their way to ignore any questions asked about their reads, or their ideas for progressing the day phase. So I guess the answer is yes.
A-Gerard wrote:
Let him cook. This person already indicated they aren't VT, since they said that Caine's VT claim is scummy. Meaning there is a solid chance this person is confirmed town.
That's not true, if I have also indicated that VTs are scummy and I would do so whether I was VT or not which I MAY OR MAY NOT BE 🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔
The only thing is that I don't think anonymous games work well on really small communities like this. Everyone knows everyone else too well.
Yeah I had this same idea years ago, to have everyone on alts. I wanted to do it for a while but I couldn't get past this just not being executed well based on the way our player base reads behavior and tendencies from past games so much, so in the end I nixed it. But I think the way Mago is running this, it actually still has potential to be a bit wild, since there are direct role mechanics that interact with taking over peoples accounts, which you couldn't do in a normal styled game.
That's not true, if I have also indicated that VTs are scummy and I would do so whether I was VT or not which I MAY OR MAY NOT BE 🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔
How much is going to change if when he eventually claims, he just claims VT lol. I was scum reading Brand too for crypto-gate, but random inactivity around being sick isn't exactly unusual for him. He got mislynched in Ruyi Zhuan for the same thing, and in hindsight I wish he was replaced in that one before that happened.
A-Bleys wrote:
yeah what even is this
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122
bleys dude lets buddy
Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.
I don't agree. I've seen calls for massclaiming in a few games before and to my recollection they've always come from town. Plus, what do you mean by weird reactions? (ignore if you've already clarified)
Whats your read on Flora and Diedre?
A-Gerard wrote:
Has Llewella been this unhelpful the whole DP?
They are doing some weird self challenge where they only post half as much as they want to. They have also gone out of their way to ignore any questions asked about their reads, or their ideas for progressing the day phase. So I guess the answer is yes.
And people act like they do not understand what I mean when I say you are shading. This is some bullshit.
A-Gerard wrote:
Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.
Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.
I'm kind of dubious about the idea of scummates rp'ing as each other, but I'm not a fan of Martin's introduction either
Damn, I gotta get on my pc. Typing is taking me too long on mobile
A-Gerard wrote:
Whats your read on Flora and Diedre?
Town on flora. Being argumentative DP1 is usually a town sign. Also, if they are who I think they are, their proposed play is standard both to his play history and old school mafia theory.
I have never been able to read Deirdre. If they are who I think they are. I'm actually not getting as much as a scum vibe from them as I usually do, which raises suspicions.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.
Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.
Agree. I hate how they were so enthusiastic about lynching me on post #125 and completely dropped it after I claimed and you moved on.
Well he didn't completely drop it, because he said he was willing to lynch either of the VT's, so that is kind of why I am wondering why he's going for such a strong RVS play this game rather than really trying. Last game as confirmed town he was asking tons of questions especially in the last day phase. Not seeing that is raising red flags and triggering alarm bells. But again it's early.
So much for an anonymous game lol
Well not a single person so far as even really attempted to disguise their posting styles or change the times from when they are usually active. So cat's out of the bag on this one. In my situation I literally can't hide who I am because I am a night owl working grave yard shifts, so it would be pretty obvious to anyone who I was when I am posting neurotically all night lol. That said there is a chance people are meta gaming this and trying to pretend to be other people. I am open to that for sure.
Yeah and my cover is blown for all the testing during the game lol.
I mean, you did do that on your A-Caine account when you could have done that on your admin one... But I digress.
Magoroth is weeping over the immediate death of his anonymity concept.
And people act like they do not understand what I mean when I say you are shading. This is some bullshit.
You don't understand how what you are doing is frustrating? I literally just played with a game with you where you were town. I had to watch you get mislynched from the sidelines and was unable to defend your behavior from hundreds of mason interactions that screamed to me you were town. And now we are in a game where I don't have the privilege of a mason PM to get an exclusive read on you, and I ask you over and over again to give me anything to help me and the rest of town read you, or find a direction to move forward with, and your solution is to basically say, "No, fuck you", ignore the questions, and talk strictly about mech analysis, that you were previously complaining about us relying on too much in our community?
Like I know I can be a douchebag sometimes, but I think I am being heavily reserved in how much I am being one to how much I want to be even more of one. The fact that I haven't tried to just outright lynch you already when I know I could easily get the support for it, is evidence that I am trying to work with you and your wierd challenge stipulations. I even built you a counter wagon- Your Welcome. Are you going to do anything with it, or are you just going to pretend I don't exist the entire game, and dismiss me like you've been doing the whole time?
The most frustrating part about this is the image I built myself in my head about how strong a player you are and how good you would be for our community, and felt if you played similarly to how you did last game we could actually fucking cook and crack skulls here. I was lowkey excited to play with that Llewella, not dodgy, self induced challenge mode Llewella who refuses to take the lead and be a side character the whole game.
A-Flora wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
An interesting strategy by the scum team would be for different posters in the scum team to imitate one another's posting style to sow confusion and misdirect night action calculus.
That’s very very challenging for people to do. And I don’t think they can switch accounts amongst themselves at will either
I agree, it'd be really risky and tough to pull off for an unclear amount of benefit. Lowkey, floating the idea feels a little bit scummy, like they're trying to get us to be really suspicious of each other early.
Town on flora. Being argumentative DP1 is usually a town sign. Also, if they are who I think they are, their proposed play is standard both to his play history and old school mafia theory.
In the first sentence, you say being argumentative is a town sign. So do you think they wouldn't do it as scum? This person even admits that is how they would play as scum lol. Look at any game flora is scum with me and prove that he wasn't argumentative in it lol. If flora flips scum though this will be an interesting read to look at from you in hindsight, but we can cross that bridge if we come to it.
I have never been able to read Deirdre. If they are who I think they are. I'm actually not getting as much as a scum vibe from them as I usually do, which raises suspicions.
Fair, my first instinct was to town read their response to me earlier before realizing that this is the same shit I always get baited into believing is town from them.
ive done a 180 on brand with the replacmnt , i think they are probly town.
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VTL: A-Flora
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#533), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Flora (4/7): A-Caine (p#290), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774)
A-Llewella (2/7): A-Brand (p#6), A-Deirdre (p#628)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (1): A-Fiona
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 15 hours.
I get that you know I could go full power town and want that. Im not doing it. My character is an aloof distant dis-involved person in the flavor. Actually google described them as 'pale and moist' which... Lol
I have given quite a bit. Just not the specific things you want as you ask for them.
A-Gerard wrote:
I thought Martin was someone else. That someone else is probably Llewella
I dont want to take the bull by the horns here, but I think I know who Llewella is too. XD
Subtle...
Statistically the odds of scum claiming Vanilla are high. I’m going to stick to my strategy. You agreed with Caine. I just asked Martin to claim cause I thought they were someone else. But even assuming that half of town (let’s say 6) is VT and all 3 scum claiming Vanilla, you’re looking at a 33% chance of outright catching scum
The hard thing with you is I know you as scum would say the same thing here and just post justify and debate the reason you were right here. It's not the logic that pings me, its the motive and behavior around it. Coming off a game where I observed you as confirmed town, I got to see you play in a way that was much more conservative and open minded, maybe with the exception of helz. You were asking questions and trying to make it look like you were giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, even opting to lynch shining over banana when you had a jailkeep on her and a stopped night kill. So now your telling me your vote isn't RVS but are still defending the logic behind the vote, so that's kind of indicative of scum Flora here to me. Again I'll let you cook, but if you stick to your guns here it might just look scummier to me ngl.
Flora is probably the hardest player on this site for me to read overall, so I have to say that I really appreciate this insight.
If we are gona be real my hard in depth wall posts were barely worth talking about before. I may as well try small tik tok attention span posts this time around.
A-Martin wrote:
ive done a 180 on brand with the replacmnt , i think they are probly town.
UNVOTE
Cool, but what specifically made you change your mind?
You call brand out mildly for fluff posting, but from my POV you've kind of fluffed a bit this day phase as well. At least in terms of short quips here and there and not taking a major stance or doing much of anything until poked or prodded. Would you agree with this sentiment? If so why or why not?
well what do u consider fluff posting, bcuz yes i would disagree that i have been fluff posting. i would admit i might be narrow focused a bit but i dont just post to post.
Why does Caine get town cred simply for claiming VT first when it should be fairly obvious to scum that VT is a role that exists based on the set up thread?
bcuz i am also vt, and being the first to claim vt makes it riskier imo. vt isnt exactly known to be a strong claim, as indicatd by the fact that ppl like flora and oberon are trying to get us lynched. why would mafia put themselves in that situation first?
With flora I am getting the impression that you are only holding back from pursuing them as your main target because you fear the challenge of accomplishing their lynch, am I correct in this?
ya but seems like there is support for it, so lets do it
Your read on Oberon comes off a bit OMGUS-y. It sounds like the only thing holding you back from town reading them is the fact that they are willing to lynch in the Vanillas, which you claim to be. Am I wrong in this?
well i think i would apply the same logic against him if it were someone else and not just me.
