A town Martin would not be afraid of picking a fight with Flora. And #956 is literally parallel to her posts last game. “What can I do to prove differently.”
A-Martin wrote:
u dont have to town read me, but ive done my best to comply with every req. i claimed when flora asked me to, and then was accused of being passive aggressive. im being pursued bcuz of the role i claimed, and a weird accusation that im being passive aggressive. if im gonna be lynched i would at least like a little more than that. i gave reads when asked, i answered questions when asked, what have i done that makes me scum lol
I don’t agree you’ve been passive aggressive. The pursuit of VT players I get generally, as I’ve already stated. The rest is NAI. Didn’t say you’ve done anything scummy.
Shit, I meant to be on earlier, but I'm here now
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A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#868), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Flora (4/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (2): A-Deirdre (p#838), A-Fiona
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.
A-Flora wrote:
A town Martin would not be afraid of picking a fight with Flora. And #956 is literally parallel to her posts last game. “What can I do to prove differently.”
sir my vote is on u lol. im not afraid of picking a fight. i didnt think voting u would get any suprt so thot it would be a waste of time initly but seeing there is suport for it makes it a fight worth picking. and i didn't ask what can i do to prove differently i asked what i did to make me scum other than comply with everything u wanted
A-Gerard wrote:
I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.
If they are both town, then this entire logic just fucked town into two mislynches, and thats gonna hurt. And that's also gonna be on Flora.
Agreed, but here we are. I’m not happy that this is where we’re ending the DP and it could end up with two mislynches, just saying how I see it.
A-Brand wrote:
Shit, I meant to be on earlier, but I'm here now
We have an hour and a half left. You are the top wagon next to flora. I doubt you will have time to catch up before the lynch happens, so if you are town, you probably want to vote flora here. Lynch is plurality based.
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
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A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#868), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Flora (4/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (2): A-Deirdre (p#838), A-Fiona
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Cause Gerard is tunneling me and everyone else is wagoning. The intellectuals like Oberon, Random, and Deidre don’t agree and are willing to lynch Martin like I am. So help me lynch Martin
VTL: A-Martin
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.
If they are both town, then this entire logic just fucked town into two mislynches, and thats gonna hurt. And that's also gonna be on Flora.
Agreed, but here we are. I’m not happy that this is where we’re ending the DP and it could end up with two mislynches, just saying how I see it.
The same thing I said to random I'll say to you. From what I gather you don't town read flora, you just vaguely agree with his analysis that we should lynch within vanillas. You can accomplish that by following floras plan and lynching him. There's no reason he should be exempt from his own mech policy.
If we are just as likely to mislynch either one of them why not Flora? You know the longer this game goes on, the more strong town players get picked off, the more likely Flora gets to manipulate the weaker or less active players. In this case he doesn't have anything going for him role wise. If he was offering a significant amount of behavioral analysis and ideas, that would be another thing. But look at his read list in 358. You think that read list is coming from a town pie? You and I both put heaps more effort into our reads than he did. He's barely budged or moved at all in almost 72 hours from what his initial lynch goal was. He's never attempted to consider different options or offer a different direction. He has doubled down at every turn, and anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. What value is he bringing to the game? If we mislynch him yeah that sucks, but every one gets mislynched, pie way less than others. I don't think he deserves more sympathy for a mislynch than anyone else does. I got offlined mislynched in Andor and you don't see him crying a river for me lol.
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
Pie always gets his way. Lets mix it up a little and make things interesting. We've lynched Banana a million times. It's pies turn in the sun for once.
Gerard thinks everything I have done today is scummy. There is no consideration that I can be town. Zero. Zilch. I have maintained since the beginning that we need a third claim to analyze which of the 3 is the best option. If Town Flora sees 2 vanillas claim knowing he’s Vanilla himself, where is his focus going. Simple question.
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A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
Pie pretending to follow a policy but not following through with it would be NAI. How many times have you heard pie say he wants to policy lynch a miller but then never follow through? Then the one game where he doesn't have a fuck ton of mech analysis to go on, his idea is to follow through policy lynching vanillas when we have reason to believe theres a ton of them, and he is one himself? Then he goes on to tunnel that read the rest of the day phase, barely look into anyone else, and provide the weakest read list I've ever seen from pie? What does scum pie do in this game if this isn't scum pie? What does a scum pie game look like in your eyes?
I want to see how the new A-brand handles things before voting there
A-Fiona wrote:
I want to see how the new A-brand handles things before voting there
Welcome back. Thoughts on Martin?
VTL: A-Flora
A-Fiona wrote:
VTL: A-Flora
Any explanation or just gonna wagon?
A-Flora wrote:
Gerard thinks everything I have done today is scummy. There is no consideration that I can be town. Zero. Zilch. I have maintained since the beginning that we need a third claim to analyze which of the 3 is the best option. If Town Flora sees 2 vanillas claim knowing he’s Vanilla himself, where is his focus going. Simple question.
This is blatantly a lie. I wasn't even on you until last night. I made the decision to vote you with less than 24 hours remaining in the game, asked you for reads multiple times, gave you a million oppertunities to present a behavioral target instead of pursuing a policy meta. You act like I am being entirely unreasonable here when I have been giving you more than enough grace. You have doubled down and shut out anyone who disagrees with you and haven't appeared willing to be objective about being wrong here. I can't fathom a town pie doing any of that, but if you are town and we double mislynch from this, you bear all the weight of pursuing this dumbass policy.
Also isn't funny how you say you want to only do this once? Then you what, conveniently reveal that your a vanilla later, and be like "oh looks like we already failed testing a vanilla claim, so don't waste another try at a mislynch on me! Herpaderp" The levels of hypocrisy are the size of Mount Everest
A-Flora wrote:
A-Fiona wrote:
VTL: A-Flora
Any explanation or just gonna wagon?
I think gerard is making gr8 points
The same thing I said to random I'll say to you. From what I gather you don't town read flora, you just vaguely agree with his analysis that we should lynch within vanillas. You can accomplish that by following floras plan and lynching him. There's no reason he should be exempt from his own mech policy.
If we are just as likely to mislynch either one of them why not Flora? You know the longer this game goes on, the more strong town players get picked off, the more likely Flora gets to manipulate the weaker or less active players. In this case he doesn't have anything going for him role wise. If he was offering a significant amount of behavioral analysis and ideas, that would be another thing. But look at his read list in 358. You think that read list is coming from a town pie? You and I both put heaps more effort into our reads than he did. He's barely budged or moved at all in almost 72 hours from what his initial lynch goal was. He's never attempted to consider different options or offer a different direction. He has doubled down at every turn, and anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. What value is he bringing to the game? If we mislynch him yeah that sucks, but every one gets mislynched, pie way less than others. I don't think he deserves more sympathy for a mislynch than anyone else does. I got offlined mislynched in Andor and you don't see him crying a river for me lol.
The long and short of it is that I think Pie doesn’t draw this kind of heat on himself if he’s scum. He knows his strategy applies to him as well, knows that another VT claim flipping town puts him in even hotter water. I don’t think he should be exempt from his own policy, but I don’t think scum Pie does all this and that’s more than I have to say in Banana’s favor at this point. Sure, he’s tunneled a little more than usual, but that tracks with someone who believes their strategy is the correct one, as does half-assing his reads list. I’ll see all that in a different light should Banana flip scum, but for now, it’s consistent with what I’d expect from him. It just doesn’t come off as scummy.
Just more tunneling. Get your head out of your ass.
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A-Flora (5/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Martin (1/7): A-Flora (p#970)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (1): A-Deirdre (p#838)
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.
A-Fiona wrote:
I want to see how the new A-brand handles things before voting there
A-Fiona wrote:
VTL: A-Flora
Really don’t love that you just hopped on now and posted like this. If there are points you feel Luna is making well that convinced you, maybe spell them out instead of just jumping in.
When I flip town, lynch Martin. Statistically, she is scum and behaviorally she’s scum. Y’all were bamboozled the entire game. I called her as scum DP1.
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
I think it’s riskier play on his part than I’d expect, particularly this early with a VT claim locked and loaded.
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
I think it’s riskier play on his part than I’d expect, particularly this early with a VT claim locked and loaded.
Riskier than you'd expect from him as town or as scum?
